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  • Just a silly question;


    Since we know the Omnitrix has alien DNA from every planet in the universe and there's 1,000,913 known aliens and even more are probably out there, how can we be sure Overflow, Gax (though Chimerans are in the Omnitrix), and Shock Rock would exist in the Prime Timeline.

    We know every other Omnitrix contain the same DNA (though Aliens are yet to be unlocked and as seen with Ben 23 unlocked in a different order) and we've seen Animo become Rath.

    So could Prime Ben become Shock Rock and Overflow (any Overflow is Water Hazard comments immediately disarmed by the different species and homeworld and Ben having other similar Aliens like XLR8-Fasttrack, Eatle-Upchuck (and for that matter Perk Upchuck-Murk Upchuck), etc) and Reboot Ben become guys like Jetray, Humungousaur, Feedback, Armodrillo, etc?

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    • Let's, for a second, say that all species from both continuities exist in both continuities.

      Ben Prime definitely has the ability to unlock Gax, or at least a form like Gax whether or not that's what he calls it.

      Ben Prime definitely does not (at least by the end of OV) have the ability to unlock Overflow, since he only has five aliens from Andromeda and not one of those was a Cascan.

      Ben Prime might be able to unlock Shock Rock, but we don't even know what galaxy he comes from so we can't say for sure.

      As for Reboot Ben, the only alien he hasn't unlocked that we know for certain he can unlock is Rath, since Animo managed to extracted Rath's DNA from the Omnitrix. We don't know how many DNA samples are stored in the reboot trix and we don't know if there was a system to choose which DNA samples were used or not, so there is no way to know for sure if reboot Ben can access any of them.

      I'm willing to guess that Crystalsapiens like Chromastone either don't exist at all in the reboot continuity or have gone back to having their own home planet. If they hadn't made energy redirection Enhanced Diamondhead's ability then the Crystalsapiens would probably have been the surface-dwelling species on reboot Petropia.

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    • I would like the idea of Ben Prime upgrading his Omnitrix like Reboot Ben (though I just learned that he had to sacrifice Upgrade in order to do it, but he was able to get Feedback back, so it would be like that if Ben Prime did do that, he could get Upgrade back)

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    • In a fanfic I wrote Upgrade upgrades my Omnitrix and is lost and no chance of coming back. Because the Omnitrix is now literally 1/2 Galvanic Mechamorph it can't accept the DNA properly. IDK, maybe that makes sense in this fantasy Ben 10 world. The moral of the story is sometimes you lose things for good and have to put up with it.

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    • Maybe Ben Prime can use Brainstorm or Grey Matter to upgrade his omnitrix.

      But I think that Shock Rock would be in the main timeline omnitrix unless he is from the Andromeda Galaxy.

      It seems that every omnitrix except the main timeline has aliens from other galaxies like Ben 23 has Armodrillo and Mad Ben has NRG.

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    • Considering the vast number of sapient races stored in the Omnitrix, it seems likely that all Bens, regardless of universe, theoretically possess all the aliens.

      Eg. we know Reboot Ben had Gax, we also know that Ben Prime had a Chimera Sui Generis in his Omnitrix, but didn't know he had it (The sample coming from somebody other than Vilgax)

      While there are some unique cases like the Andromeda aliens, Crystalsapiens and Vladats, as others have pointed out, Reboot Ben and other alternate reality Bens have possessed aliens from Andromeda without having necessarily encountered them, so I'd say it's probably a safe bet that what was true for Prime Ben need not necessarily be the case for others.

      Long story short, I work under the assumption that unless this series were to somehow produce over 1,000,913 alien species, we should naturally assume that the Omnitrix from any reality possesses all naturally occuring and artificial forms of sentient life encountered in the series. So not only the aliens used by other Bens, but aliens that we know exist, but haven't been used, like the Kraaho, Lewodans and Detrovites. Even species that wouldn't be expected, like Anodites and Naljians, I mean, if something like Alien X can exist in the Omnitrix, not to mention the various mineral based aliens, I don't see why any alien would be strictly excluded from the list.

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    • Some aliens can't exist in the (Main Timeline) Omnitrix because it can't support DNA from magical creatures, like Anodites. Celestialsapiens probably changed the universe so their DNA could be sampled.

      Though I expect at least one universe in the multiverse to have an Azmuth who made it possible to have magical DNA, otherwise Celestialsapiens from those universes would maybe get bored of always seeing the same things with the Omnitrix

      Astile12 wrote:
      In a fanfic I wrote Upgrade upgrades my Omnitrix and is lost and no chance of coming back. Because the Omnitrix is now literally 1/2 Galvanic Mechamorph it can't accept the DNA properly. IDK, maybe that makes sense in this fantasy Ben 10 world. The moral of the story is sometimes you lose things for good and have to put up with it.

      Actually, that'd be a pretty neat explanation as to why Upgrade "got sacrificed": he literally is part of the watch, he'd have to "get out" of it or the Omnitrix would glitch (or Ben would try to Upgrade it again and risk overloading it, making it explode along with the rest of the Galaxy)

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    • EnderJesse wrote:

      Some aliens can't exist in the (Main Timeline) Omnitrix because it can't support DNA from magical creatures, like Anodites. Celestialsapiens probably changed the universe so their DNA could be sampled.


      Most Omnitrix creatures have no DNA as we know it. Anodites have something like DNA, so they theoretically could be sampled.

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    • Aaronbill3 wrote:

      Most Omnitrix creatures have no DNA as we know it. Anodites have something like DNA, so they theoretically could be sampled.

      Theoretically, yeah, but it'd have to be with something different from the Omnitrix, since it works on DNA samples. I doubt Azmuth wouldn't have tried to do so before, but maybe DNA was more common and easy to find than whatever Anodites have.

      Also, when was it said that most Omnitrix aliens don't have DNA? I thought the issue with Nanomech was because he was partially robotic (non-organic and therefore no genetical signature), they had to hybridize Ben's human DNA with the robot parts to enable him as an alien form. Even a "robot alien" needed DNA to be used

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    • Because DNA is a specific chemical. The simple facts of most aliens means they cannot have DNA. Heatblast, NRG, and Atomix would destroy their own DNA due to heat and (in the case of the latter two) radiation. Echo Echo is living sound (apparently) so he has no room for physical DNA. Overflow is living water in a mechanical suit (according to some unreliable sources). Clockwork is made of bronze/brass metal. AmpFibian can turn into electricity, which would destroy any DNA in the process. Same with Buzzshock. And Gravattack is a living planet. If being made of rock wasn't enough to prove he doesn't have DNA, his molten core would have destroyed it if he had any.

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    • Aaronbill3 wrote:
      Because DNA is a specific chemical. The simple facts of most aliens means they cannot have DNA. Heatblast, NRG, and Atomix would destroy their own DNA due to heat and (in the case of the latter two) radiation. Echo Echo is living sound (apparently) so he has no room for physical DNA. Overflow is living water in a mechanical suit (according to some unreliable sources). Clockwork is made of bronze/brass metal. AmpFibian can turn into electricity, which would destroy any DNA in the process. Same with Buzzshock. And Gravattack is a living planet. If being made of rock wasn't enough to prove he doesn't have DNA, his molten core would have destroyed it if he had any.

      Honestly, I'm not even sure if the concept of DNA is the exact same in Ben 10 or is different from real life, maybe Heatblast has organs surviving through fire, maybe Atomix and Echo Echo have skin underneath their outfits but we don't see them because they'b unusable in that state, maybe Clockwork has organs inside his gears, or maybe his metal is just rock-hard organic matter (which would explain how Diamondhead and Chromastone's DNAs work). We just don't know enough about aliens to confirm it.

      I'm sorry if this doesn't make much sense, I just have a hard time believing that they would make more than one alien being theoretically impossible to have

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      1. That's like saying Ben 10 has a different concept of Oxygen.
      2. The reason this contradiction exists is because Ben 10 is not particularly well thought out. Especially when they tried to have scientific explanations for things in UAF, it normally fell flat.
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    • While I understand what was said about Anodites, I feel it was basically a handwave to avoid Ben having an Anodite alien form and rendering Gwen useless to the series.

      As others have pointed out, what excludes some aliens seems to be very vague and the idea that the Omnitrix works strictly off DNA doesn't seem to fly based on the fact that several aliens are either mineral or energy based and would then lack DNA. Now I imagine Azmuth is easily smart enough to work around this, finding a way in which these entities are sampled and calling it DNA was just an easy way to make a doofus like Ben unstand the complexities of a device that transforms the user's entire body into that of creatures wholly different from themself without annihilating them completely, but I don't see how he could make a device that could contain aliens capable of rewriting the universe on a whim (Celestialsapiens), whose method of reproduction is so insane it could be straight out of 2001: A Space Odyssey, but couldn't find a way to recreate creatures that can and have reproduced with humans.

      So while I understand, word of god says Anodites aren't in the Omnitrix, I personally don't see why they wouldn't, but for those hung up on it, feel free to take my previous theory as is, just with the added exception of Anodites and anything else strictly said not to exist in the Omnitrix.

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    • hm

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    • shock rock gax and the omni enhanced aliens yes overflow no because hes basicly water hazard

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    • Aquajax99 wrote:
      shock rock gax and the omni enhanced aliens yes overflow no because hes basicly water hazard


      Eatle is basically Upchuck Fasttrack is basically XLR8 ChamAlien is basically Ghostfreak (but weaker) Gravattack is basically Lodetstar (but stronger)

      The Omni-Enhanced aliens are the only ones that definitely could NOT be in the original Omnnitrix because they rely on the Upgrade upgrade to work and as far as the original lore goes the original Upgrade couldn't do that.

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    • makes sence i was thinking of them like the ultimate forms

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    • Aaronbill3 wrote:
      Aquajax99 wrote:
      shock rock gax and the omni enhanced aliens yes overflow no because hes basicly water hazard

      Eatle is basically Upchuck Fasttrack is basically XLR8 ChamAlien is basically Ghostfreak (but weaker) Gravattack is basically Lodetstar (but stronger)

      The Omni-Enhanced aliens are the only ones that definitely could NOT be in the original Omnnitrix because they rely on the Upgrade upgrade to work and as far as the original lore goes the original Upgrade couldn't do that.

      Why do you think original upgrade would not be able to upgrade the omnitrix? 


      Anyways Shock Rock is probably an Omni enhanced alien himself. So if upgrade upgrades the omnitrix he would be in there.

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    • I say Overflow(He's a different species from Water Hazard - Cascan), Shock Rock, and Gax(Though he mayed be named differently in the OC) exist in the Original Continuity. The only thing that could possibly prevent Overflow from being in the watch is that he is from the Andromeda Galaxy and the OC Omnitrix has aliens from only the Milky Way Galaxy, in other words Ben would have to scan a Cascan to get Overflow.

      ​And as for the Omni-Enchanced aliens, the only way for them to exist in the OC is if Ben uses one of his smart aliens or Upgrade to upgrade the Omnitrix.

      ​As for the reboot having all the OC aliens it is possible that the watch has them they're just locked, look at Rath for example.

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    • Ben101994 wrote:
      I say Overflow(He's a different species from Water Hazard - Cascan), Shock Rock, and Gax(Though he mayed be named differently in the OC) exist in the Original Continuity. The only thing that could possibly prevent Overflow from being in the watch is that he is from the Andromeda Galaxy and the OC Omnitrix has aliens from only the Milky Way Galaxy, in other words Ben would have to scan a Cascan to get Overflow.

      ​And as for the Omni-Enchanced aliens, the only way for them to exist in the OC is if Ben uses one of his smart aliens or Upgrade to upgrade the Omnitrix.

      ​As for the reboot having all the OC aliens it is possible that the watch has them they're just locked, look at Rath for example.

      This does make sense (and I wonder what Azmuth would say after seeing this Upgraded Omnitrix and just imagine if Ben did this with the Ultimatrix)

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    • Yeah, for once Ben fiddled with the watch in a way that made things better, compared to his Original Counterpart. Azmuth's reaction could be interesting (Albedo too, since he thought he made the Ultimatrix better), now there's someone who did a good job with the watch but with less damage than there originally was

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    • EnderJesse wrote:
      Yeah, for once Ben fiddled with the watch in a way that made things better, compared to his Original Counterpart. Azmuth's reaction could be interesting (Albedo too, since he thought he made the Ultimatrix better), now there's someone who did a good job with the watch but with less damage than there originally was

      I agree. Reboot Ben's done some cool stuff. He unlocked Gax and Shock Rock (wasn't his fault Gax was locked again) and he used Upgrade (despite losing him) to make improvements such as Omni-Enhanced Forms. If the Reboot didn't have such terrible writing this would be a cool concept. I mean come on. Omni-Enhanced Diamondhead's first appearance was not executed well. Neither was O-E Four Arms

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    • Astile12 wrote:
      EnderJesse wrote:
      Yeah, for once Ben fiddled with the watch in a way that made things better, compared to his Original Counterpart. Azmuth's reaction could be interesting (Albedo too, since he thought he made the Ultimatrix better), now there's someone who did a good job with the watch but with less damage than there originally was
      I agree. Reboot Ben's done some cool stuff. He unlocked Gax and Shock Rock (wasn't his fault Gax was locked again) and he used Upgrade (despite losing him) to make improvements such as Omni-Enhanced Forms. If the Reboot didn't have such terrible writing this would be a cool concept. I mean come on. Omni-Enhanced Diamondhead's first appearance was not executed well. Neither was O-E Four Arms

      I personally thought Omni-Enhanced Diamondhead's first appearance wasn't to bad, but it definitely could've been excuted better (if the show didn't run for 11-minutes each episode and had the writting of the original mixed in with it). And honestly, Reboot Ben is definitely as clever as his mainstream counter part when written properly.

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    • yes all of them

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    • EnderJesse wrote:
      Yeah, for once Ben fiddled with the watch in a way that made things better, compared to his Original Counterpart. Azmuth's reaction could be interesting (Albedo too, since he thought he made the Ultimatrix better), now there's someone who did a good job with the watch but with less damage than there originally was

      That's true, I think the writers removed GM, OF and WV to make him, say ´´The omnitrix is acting weird, when it upgrades it removes aliens. I should meet the creator to fix it"

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    • He won't need the creator with Glitch around to help, unless things get really bad

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    • EnderJesse wrote:
      He won't need the creator with Glitch around to help, unless things get really bad

      Here's the question.

      Where is Glitch? During the eleven episodes aired he didn't appear, he wasn't even mentioned by his dna brother Ben or his cousin Gwen!

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    • He's probably still stuck in the Rustbuggy. We'll have to wait and see if he's inside the Rustbucket snoring or if he stayed with Phil to fix the damage

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    • That actually makes sense.

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    • well in the classic continutty the omntrix only has DNA from the milkyway excluding the rest of the universe exeptions are of course the vladats,Aldabra,Terraexcava ,Kiusan,Tesslos,Prypiatos 

      while in the reboot the omnitrix has DNA from the entire universe so it has much more DNA that the classic continuty so a Cascan from andromeda if exists in classic ben 10 arent inside it and if the fulmini are from other galaxies their DNA arnt in the omnitrix

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