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  • On Facebook, a user asked Duncan Rouleau about if Kevin and Charmcaster were created to stay villains or Man of Action planned on them becoming anti-heroes all along. Rouleau's reply was the latter.

    So this settles two questions that have often been debated:

    1. Was Kevin's turn to the good side ever going to happen had Man of Action stayed more involved with the franchise, or would they have kept him a villain?  It turns out that yes, they would have had him turn to the good side too, albeit nowhere near as rushed as it was in Alien Force and with him probably keeping his pre-established powers rather than the Absorbing Man ones he was given.

    2. Was Charmcaster on the road to redemption in Ultimate Alien and Omniverse, or was she just going to stay a villain? It turns out that yes, she was fated to join the good side, and apparently Gwen's line about them being able to become friends now at the end of Third Time's a Charm was an obvious indicator that if Gwen had gotten her own show, Charmcaster would indeed become her friend and ally.

    So with this in mind, now that Man of Action are in charge of the reboot, do you hope to finally see Kevin and Charmcaster become anti-heroes the way their creators envisioned?

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    • hope so that would be good to see

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    • I just hope when both Kevin and Charmcaster are done being evil in the reboot, they become BFFs to Ben and Gwen.

      I still can't believe Charmcaster would become a power hungry witch instead of becoming Gwen's BFF.

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    • Why can't you believe it?  I already said above that was going to be saved for Gwen's own show (that she never got, but I digress), and her becoming power hungry was already explained in show; it was her coping medication for all the pain in her life, she turned to an addiction rather than get legitimate help from Gwen or anyone else, which is why Gwen was keeping her with her at college by the end of OV (and leading into the spin-off that never was).

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    • I think that it shouldn't be rushed like AF did, and it would've been interesting to see Charmcaster be a supporting character like how Kevin and Gwen were in OV.

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    • I see your userpic there, see, Peridot is a good example of how these things SHOULD be done: gradually and naturally over the course of several closely spaced out episodes. With Kevin, they just flipped a switch and moved him into anti-hero territory in just one episode, which was wrong.  With Charmcaster, they were doing it in multiple episodes, but they were spaced out ridiculously long, which was also wrong (over a year from "Where the Magic Happens" to "Enemy of My Frenemy", and then even longer until her first Omniverse appearance...it was ridiculous.)

      I hope Man of Action takes tips from Steven Universe in the reboot.

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    • VillainousTroper wrote:
      I see your userpic there, see, Peridot is a good example of how these things SHOULD be done: gradually and naturally over the course of several closely spaced out episodes. With Kevin, they just flipped a switch and moved him into anti-hero territory in just one episode, which was wrong.  With Charmcaster, they were doing it in multiple episodes, but they were spaced out ridiculously long, which was also wrong (over a year from "Where the Magic Happens" to "Enemy of My Frenemy", and then even longer until her first Omniverse appearance...it was ridiculous.)

      I hope Man of Action takes tips from Steven Universe in the reboot.


      Oh, lol. I like SU and Peridot a lot, so I made it my avi. But yeah, I agree with the pacing of how they became heroes. Kevin just snapped into a hero, and Charmcaster should've been done consecutively instead of over a year like you said.

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    • I made a page on the Ben 10 Club website a couple of weeks ago after finding out about this where I give my thoughts on Kevin and Charmcaster being intended by MOA to be anti-heroes. Instead of having to spend time typing up my thoughts on this, I'll just link the page on here if anyone is interested in reading it.

      http://ben10club.org/topic/160/kevin-and-charmcaster-s-actual-character-development

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    • Great Ochoa wrote:
      I made a page on the Ben 10 Club website a couple of weeks ago after finding out about this where I give my thoughts on Kevin and Charmcaster being intended by MOA to be anti-heroes. Instead of having to spend time typing up my thoughts on this, I'll just link the page on here if anyone is interested in reading it.

      http://ben10club.org/topic/160/kevin-and-charmcaster-s-actual-character-development


      That's actually pretty interesting. Kevin.. just flipped a switch and then sometime later inbetween OV and Ken 10 he flips the switch again, so I agree about the villain part. The Killing Joke analogy for Charmcaster was pretty neat.

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    • Kevin is a psychopath/sociopath/antisocial personality disorder; whatever you want to call it. You don't get better from that. You don't get good. There's no redemption. No one else matters but you, and you enjoy inflicting pain because it's the only way you get a rush. "I do it because I like it" - ken 10. What they did in Alien Force is just straight up ignoring every character development shown in the original series. Kevin is no longer kevin, it's like he's some weird alternate universe version that isn't a psychopath. Despite Rouleau's answer; in which it seems like he doesn't know what an anti-hero means (in comic book lingo); and his answer is ambiguous with the word "foil" used. Rouleau is also only one of a four person team and I can't believe that they would intentionally ruin their own story and character development like that. They had multiple opportuinities in the original series to show any spark of empathy or goodness in Kevin. He had none.

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    • For Kevin's future, he will go evil again by absorbing a bunch of energy becoming evil again! I liked Kevin and Gwen's relationship but the bad news is that they're not going to be married due to Kevin going evil, being sent into the Null Void, marrying a girl from Saturn to have Devlin, then he was released from the Null Void in Ken 10 by Devlin. And in The end of an era Devlin was grounded with Zed at home, Kevin became good man, and got Gwendolyn as girlfriend again. I would like Kevin to stay good forever, focusing his relationship with Gwen to get married and have another version where Gwendolyn is Devlin's mom! What do you think about Charmcaster's future after Omniverse and the universal road trip?

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    • Kevin was evil even before he absorbed a lot of energy. He was already insane and he didn't have to absorb any energy to become insane. The very first episode he ever appeared in, Kevin tried to kill hundreds of innocent people just so he could steal money from a train and was more than willing and committed to performing such an act...and Kevin was 11-years-old in that episode. Throughout his appearance in the original show, Kevin was obsessed with going after Ben and even trying to kill him. Every time Ben gave Kevin a chance to start a new life and become a good person, Kevin double crossed him. Kevin even threatened to kill Gwen in order to force Ben to surrender. Kevin was already wrong in the head. It was clear through his actions and behavior that something wasn't mentally right with him. He was shown to be very much unstable, aggressive, and incredibly violent in the original show. To see how Kevin turned out in the sequel shows made no sense whatsoever. To see Ben and Gwen be so immediately open to Kevin becoming their ally made no sense whatsoever. To see Kevin and Gwen end up being in a relationship with each other made no sense whatsoever.

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