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    15:15, December 5, 2015

    Here is what I think the Reboot should have (Feel free to share your own!):

    • Make the art style a more of a mix between OS, AF/UA's and OV's. Basically have it mainly be OV, but have pupils like in OS and AF/UA. For the OS part, there would be a variety of eye coloring for the aliens and the OS aliens look more like their OS look.
    • Introduce new Villains as well as old. Especially Sublimino and Clancy as we didn't see them in Omniverse, and they had REAL potential.
    • Make most outfits for the aliens OS-styled, so keep it classic.
    • Have Feedback and the OS aliens appear. (We need all of them to appear) But, after that there should be new aliens.
    • There also could be aliens from AF+ but with redesigns and OS outfitting because I would really like to see all of the aliens introduced in AF+.
    • Have a balance between comedy and seriousness, like in OS.
    • Show Ben 10,000. And have new aliens for him, with the possibility of aliens from AF+ shown from his use of them.
    • Have a sequel,  to show this Ben maturing like he did in AF and maybe unlocking some of the aliens Ben 10K unlocked.
    • Have Villains from AF+ be cameos like in Incarcecon or in the Null Void, just so we can see they exist in this dimension.
    • Mix up the order aliens appear in, like maybe Cannonbolt takes Diamondhead's place in the original 10 like intended and Diamondhead takes place of Cannonbolt in the additionals.
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    • I think 6 is very unlikely, since Cheshire said it would mostly be comedy based. Also, I think that the Ben pic we have is a mix of all the previous art styles, right?

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    • Echoson wrote:
      I think 6 is very unlikely, since Cheshire said it would mostly be comedy based. Also, I think that the Ben pic we have is a mix of all the previous art styles, right?

      Yeah. But, also I think Eugene Son said that he knows the people making the reboot and its going to be good.

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    • Don't get your hopes up on the UAF/OV things. Man of Action just want to reboot the series they created. So, new character and characters from the OS are the most likely to appear. I'm not saying it can't happen but people shouldn't think it's natural to add those things.

      With that:

      • voice actors reprising their roles but miscasts would get corrected
      • the same day-night ratio OV had
      • no idiotic CN humor (I'm aware of what ChesireP said), but I have high hopes for the crew
      • fusions, Kevin, future
      • consistent timeline
      • less filler episodes than the previous series had
      • less obvious DC and Marvel knock-offs
      • cameos and Omnitrix alien civilians
      • more focus on Max
      • the road trip could make actual sense, I don't really care
      • no murder, nazis, drug dealers, or gods
      • romance is OK if done well
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    • Oneofthosedf wrote:
      Don't get your hopes up on the UAF/OV things. Man of Action just want to reboot the series they created. So, new character and characters from the OS are the most likely to appear. I'm not saying it can't happen but people shouldn't think it's natural to add those things.

      With that:

      • voice actors reprising their roles but miscasts would get corrected
      • the same day-night ratio OV had
      • no idiotic CN humor (I'm aware of what ChesireP said), but I have high hopes for the crew
      • fusions, Kevin, future
      • consistent timeline
      • less filler episodes than the previous series had
      • less obvious DC and Marvel knock-offs
      • cameos and Omnitrix alien civilians
      • more focus on Max
      • the road trip could make actual sense, I don't really care
      • no murder, nazis, drug dealers, or gods
      • romance is OK if done well

      I can see what you are saying about the UAF/OV thing. I agree with everything you have in your list.

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    • Man of Action returns as the executive producers of the show. So this show has potential.

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    • Ben10fan3 wrote:
      Oneofthosedf wrote:
      Don't get your hopes up on the UAF/OV things. Man of Action just want to reboot the series they created. So, new character and characters from the OS are the most likely to appear. I'm not saying it can't happen but people shouldn't think it's natural to add those things.

      With that:

      • voice actors reprising their roles but miscasts would get corrected
      • the same day-night ratio OV had
      • no idiotic CN humor (I'm aware of what ChesireP said), but I have high hopes for the crew
      • fusions, Kevin, future
      • consistent timeline
      • less filler episodes than the previous series had
      • less obvious DC and Marvel knock-offs
      • cameos and Omnitrix alien civilians
      • more focus on Max
      • the road trip could make actual sense, I don't really care
      • no murder, nazis, drug dealers, or gods
      • romance is OK if done well
      I can see what you are saying about the UAF/OV thing. I agree with everything you have in your list.


      Agreed with everything except for the DC and Marvel knock offs lol

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    • Well, less obvious. At this point they can come up with anything there 90% DC or Marvel had done it already. But Dormammu turtle and J.J. Harangue, Forever Hydra, etc. are kind of obvious ones. Not to mention DC characters that I don't really know. My point is that there is a big difference between knocks-offs and homages. I think I have to mention the Tenth Professor here too.

      They could base more characters on real people like Magister Don Knotts.

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    • Man!This sure would either do good or (sorry for the insult,if it is too much rudeness for you ben 10 fans) very horribily terrible in this new reboot of ben 10,same show but different graphics or version of it.One good question though is it like the same one like in omniverse an intro,where we see one young ben (past self) and one teen ben (present self) in the intro or is it really and only him when he was 10 years old?

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    • Well the artwork is terrible.

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    • Midhat.ali.79 wrote:
      Man!This sure would either do good or (sorry for the insult,if it is too much rudeness for you ben 10 fans) very horribily terrible in this new reboot of ben 10,same show but different graphics or version of it.One good question though is it like the same one like in omniverse an intro,where we see one young ben (past self) and one teen ben (present self) in the intro or is it really and only him when he was 10 years old?


      It is not going to be Like Omniverse where there is a teen and a child Ben. Its just a Child Ben aka Ten year old Ben.

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    • Well I didn't see any difference between teen Ben and child ben. Surpriseface

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    • Here's what I hope happens: 

      Max knows that Ben will get the omitrix on this road trip and tries getting him ready while also letting him enjoy his last moments of having no burdens in episode one.

      Ben doesn't enjoy change at first until he get's the omitrix then his whole life changes, it doesn't bother him too much until a few episodes later when something happens to make him have a moment of heroic BSOD then for the next few episodes he acts super tough until Max gives a big heartwarming speech about how he and Gwen would be right behind him no matter what.

      If they're going to use Kenny (Gwen's brother) They need to show him seeing her off in episode one. 

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    • Agreeing with a lot of poings on here, but I'm actually okay with the nazi allegory(even if it was a bit underdeveloped).

      More aliens, by which I mean more IMAGINATIVE aliens. A lot of Ben's newer aliens were pretty much just different variants of his previous ones, Jury Rig was basically Grey Matter with personality, Swampfire is Heatblast/Wildvine with the saddest voice possible, and Walkatrout was Ripjaws if it just gave up on LIFE! More Pesky Dusts and Molestaches, especially the latter as that super mustache was AWESOME!

      Properly utilizing Clockwerk. Seriously, this was probably Ben's most useful alien...and he almost always screwed up using him. 

      Lax main villains who are Ben's aliens. Side-villains sure, but honestly Dr.Psychobos and Maltruent were never big in terms of main villains to me, ESPECIALLY Maltruent. Its weird because I actually liked the arch he was in, but honestly felt Maltruent to be the weakest part, and his only real reason to exist was to explain where Vilgax got the time bomb! Speaking of which-

      -make Vilgax the main villain from beginning to finish. Omniverse made the mistake of NOT doing this by killing him off after doing the fusion dance with Malware's corpse- IN A STANDALONE EPISODE! Not the series finale, a stand alone! What?! Omniverse I love ya, but come on!

      And finally- KEEP THE ORIGINAL DESIGN! Stop fixing what isn't broken, LOOKING AT YOU OMNIVERSE OMNITRIX! Plus that slidey deal seeme pointless.

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    • FINAL FINALLY- a good balance of stand-alone, and story-arch episodes. OS had this, but after it UAF and OS had a real imbalance of stand-alones and story eps.

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    • The OV Omnitrix is probably the best looking one! :D

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    • Echoson wrote:
      The OV Omnitrix is probably the best looking one! :D

      I politely disagree, I just prefer the original. BUT- now that I think about it, the omnitrix's design doesn't really matter as long as the show is good.

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    • Echoson wrote:

      The OV Omnitrix is probably the best looking one! :D

      I respect your opinion, but I prefer the original or Alien Force one. The Omniverse one also has that weird dial thing to select the alien faces, I liked the holograms better.

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    • Plus the cartoonish faces were annoying.

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    • I sure hope that in this show it is actaually not the ben prime demintion/universe cause then it will be safe for those fans who loved the Original,the Alien Force,the Ultimate Alien and maybe those people who liked Omniverse I respect the Original and Alien Force to Ultimate Alien,i first hate but start to like the Omniverse though i still liked the version better also it was kind of funny but changing him back into a kid,bad idea,they should have like bring back the old version or graphics from the Alien Force to Ultimate Alien,bring back the old design or version of Ben(or keep his looks from the Omniverse just give him pupils and make him look like or his version he is from the AF to UA,along with the new characters of good and evil)Gwen,Kevin and all the rest of the ben 10 characters,bring back the same old personality that some of characters has changed or keep some that are good,do the develop of their personality as the show process but still keep the same old personality,the start would begin when Ben calls Gwen to get Kevin cause they are going on a road trip and then the new show starts.And i think that since Malware is oozing out of Vilgax's body and wants to take revange on Ben(maybe,not sure) will be the main villain of the new show of ben 10

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    • Malware has been accidentaly revived by Albedo when he was creating the suit.

      Now we will never know if this theory is right.

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    • BenBFF wrote: Malware has been accidentaly revived by Albedo when he was creating the suit.

      Now we will never know if this theory is right.

      It might be possible that somehow being fused with Vilgax,he must've find some sort of a way to hide his remainings or proctect himself or might have survive somehow or something else

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    • All right here is my theory

      Malware was vanquished by Feedback and his remains were put inside a museum. When Albedo/Vilgax stole the remains, they used it to make the suit. However the creation of the suit using Malware remains somewhat revived him but he was still weak to do anything so he used Vilgax by abiding with him so that they can kill Tennyson. However when Vilgax was killed, he left his body and set out on his own. Basically this was just a cliffhanger.

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    • Yeah what was up with that Malware cliff-hanger? That's like, 12 other shards of Equinox level stuff.

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    • But anyway it is good to know that Malware is still alive.

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    • I'd like it if he would return, but would have like a split-personality between him and Vilgax whose mind still inhabits his body.

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    • No Vilgax has been killled. ( Though he will be revived in the future)

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    • You do forgot that this isn't how they are doing,they're doing completely different to my suggestion.But it would have been cool though also i have no idea who is going to be an antagonist and how it will begin.

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    • BenBFF wrote:
      No Vilgax has been killled. ( Though he will be revived in the future)

      Yes, the REAL Vilgax, but whose to say Malware wouldn't have an imprint of his consciousness in his core programming?

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    • I would also like to say the new series should cross over with the old series'(plural) in some way shape or form. One thing I think they should cover is that maybe the Rooters had more alien/human hybrid sleeper agents for example- ESTHER! Cos really, there is NO possible way a tungsten based life form and carbon based life-form could have a child. Look at all the hybrids in this show, most were made by a mutant's crazy absorption powers, and the other was made by a magic alien making a human body. Mutants, and magic, logically Esther can only have been made by one of those two situations.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote: I would also like to say the new series should cross over with the old series'(plural) in some way shape or form. One thing I think they should cover is that maybe the Rooters had more alien/human hybrid sleeper agents for example- ESTHER! Cos really, there is NO possible way a tungsten based life form and carbon based life-form could have a child. Look at all the hybrids in this show, most were made by a mutant's crazy absorption powers, and the other was made by a magic alien making a human body. Mutants, and magic, logically Esther can only have been made by one of those two situations.

      You mean find out why some of characters past?What they were at the beginning and what we have seen now?Or like Ester use to be one of the Rooters?Might be interesting as long as she like she thinks that this 10 year old cause no harm or destraction,she tries to convince the leader of the rooters but he didn't listen, he still think that ben is a threat and nothing else (you know like unlike the others esther is a good and kind one),she tries to communicate to Max Tennyson but got caught which the rooters wipe and replace her memmoeries and let her out or she escape and got out.

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    • No. I do not think they will reintroduce the Rooters in the reboot.

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    • The whole point of the Rooters (aside from being cool) was to correct mistakes from AF. Again, don't hope much from anything post-OS to return.

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    • Yup. Also Kai may not appear as I think the crew would hope to make a new love interest for him.

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    • I don't know she's looks okay to me,doesn't makes sense to make a new love interest and what about kenny?You may know that like how child lkes and dislikes changes when they grow also Kai seems as an advanturer type she like to do action too,it also makes a strange sense that in the world's dangerous game show you see at the end they both blush at eachother and even when they are annoyed at eachother they still have a bond it really makes no sense for them to do that,i'd say keep her in ben's interest cause you never know when she might start to get close to him and may be might say like as annoying as he might be she still has some sort of a strange feelings for him and out of all the boys that maybe she has been traveling with his granpa across the world,there is no one like him cause Ben has something that no one else have...maybe caring and good side,doing what is right protect innocents (even if some of them are not friendly towards him and also not a friend of him) stuff like that,in short Kai will slowly start to like him and they might have a good relationship,what do you think? Also,do you think it is him as 10 year old or this time it's him as an 11 year old?

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    • It is 10 yr old.

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    • Fleh, a flan can dream! I just think it would be cool is Servantis had a back up plan this whole time that he planned out to the letter. I'd also like to think that that her secret Rooter programming was the root of her attraction to Ben because...well dangit I never saw the chemistry between them(which is weird since their voice performers are married in real life). Kai? Yes. Julie? Yes. Esther? Eh. You have no i-DEA how little I cared when she broke up with Ben for that shaved Lobo guy. Don't get me wrong, she's an interesting character but as a love-interest she always fell a little flat with me.
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    • I am very very confused? What type of a character are you talking about?whose “her” are you talking about?

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    • You if julie and kai met and talk about ben julie might convince her about ben being a good friend,he is very caring and does what he does the best,might be a bit cooky but still a good guy,just it's hard to get along with him when he tries to save the world or universe many times but he has to or the earth and the whole would be in grave danger.Might also share a little secret that since Ben get busy stoping the bad guys Julie tries to call Ben trying to talk that since he's busy at stoping the bad guys and does not have time to be with her for quite some time she want to break up with try to find someone else since their relationship isn't going very well but since Ben is busy playing video games and not paying attention very well on what she was saying (maybe this is what she might be saying on Ben's phone might also make sense i think).

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    • I didn't understand one word.

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    • While I could see Ben and Julie breaking up, did anyone else think the way they handled it in Omniverse was kinda forced? And after apparently MONTHS of not talking to her, he just now realizes they broke up and she's dating an awful French guy now?! Plus part of me feels they just forgot to put her in for the first season(production wise) and they needed an excuse for her not being there. 

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      While I could see Ben and Julie breaking up, did anyone else think the way they handled it in Omniverse was kinda forced? And after apparently MONTHS of not talking to her, he just now realizes they broke up and she's dating an awful French guy now?! Plus part of me feels they just forgot to put her in for the first season(production wise) and they needed an excuse for her not being there. 


      Actually it was because of these 2 reasons

      1. The writers didn't care about Benlie (it is harsh) and wanted to create a new love story for Ben since Gwevin had departed.

      2. They were planning to follow the OS timeline and so Ben and Kai had to be married.

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    • I'd say the best and ideal reboot for Ben 10 is to reboot the sequels. Not the Original Series because, well, it's very much, if not completely, unnecessary to reboot the Original Series. The Original Series isn't perfect but it's still a fantastically well-made show and is even still great and enjoyable to watch. Not because of nostalgia but because it's just a great show. There's noting to really improve on the Original Series and therefore, it's unnecessary to reboot the Original Series. Rebooting the Ben 10 sequels is a much better and the best and ideal approach because that's where all the major problems of the Ben 10 series stemmed in and all those problems started when Cartoon Network replaced Man of Action with Glen Murikami and Dwayne McDuffie as the writers of the first sequel. There was just so much wrong that was done after Man of Action were replaced. So many problems that were created. Therefore, it would be better to reboot the Ben 10 sequels and go down the right path that the series was supposed to go.

      Anyways, it would be better to reboot the Ben 10 sequels and not the Ben 10 Original Series. Incorporate the style, elements, and art design of the Original Series. Don't make any changes to the show whatsoever. Change doesn't always lead to good results. In fact,  changes being made had more often led to bad results and caused more harm than good for a lot of series', including Ben 10. Instead make improvements to the elements of the Original Series and make them from great to even better as well as add in new elements to the show to freshen and innovate the sequel reboot. Have the reboot take place after the events of "Secret of the Omnitrix" so that we can see Ben as a kid again as well as be able to see him grow up and constantly develop and evolve while maintaining his old self too. Keep his impulsive, strong ego, and fun-loving nature while also allowing Ben to mature and improve.

      This isn't just something that I want for the Ben 10 reboot. This is something that most fans want and I know this because I've spoken to more than enough fans and read more than enough fan opinios and responses to know that this current approach to the reboot is not the right approach and will more likely not deliver and succeed. It's just a lot better and the right choice to reboot the Ben 10 sequels than reboot the Original Series.

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    • Great Ochoa wrote:
      I'd say the best and ideal reboot for Ben 10 is to reboot the sequels. Not the Original Series because, well, it's very much, if not completely, unnecessary to reboot the Original Series. The Original Series isn't perfect but it's still a fantastically well-made show and is even still great and enjoyable to watch. Not because of nostalgia but because it's just a great show. There's noting to really improve on the Original Series and therefore, it's unnecessary to reboot the Original Series. Rebooting the Ben 10 sequels is a much better and the best and ideal approach because that's where all the major problems of the Ben 10 series stemmed in and all those problems started when Cartoon Network replaced Man of Action with Glen Murikami and Dwayne McDuffie as the writers of the first sequel. There was just so much wrong that was done after Man of Action were replaced. So many problems that were created. Therefore, it would be better to reboot the Ben 10 sequels and go down the right path that the series was supposed to go.

      Anyways, it would be better to reboot the Ben 10 sequels and not the Ben 10 Original Series. Incorporate the style, elements, and art design of the Original Series. Don't make any changes to the show whatsoever. Change doesn't always lead to good results. In fact,  changes being made had more often led to bad results and caused more harm than good for a lot of series', including Ben 10. Instead make improvements to the elements of the Original Series and make them from great to even better as well as add in new elements to the show to freshen and innovate the sequel reboot. Have the reboot take place after the events of "Secret of the Omnitrix" so that we can see Ben as a kid again as well as be able to see him grow up and constantly develop and evolve while maintaining his old self too. Keep his impulsive, strong ego, and fun-loving nature while also allowing Ben to mature and improve.

      This isn't just something that I want for the Ben 10 reboot. This is something that most fans want and I know this because I've spoken to more than enough fans and read more than enough fan opinios and responses to know that this current approach to the reboot is not the right approach and will more likely not deliver and succeed. It's just a lot better and the right choice to reboot the Ben 10 sequels than reboot the Original Series.


      That is a great idea.

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    • BenBFF wrote:
       

      Actually it was because of these 2 reasons

      1. The writers didn't care about Benlie (it is harsh) and wanted to create a new love story for Ben since Gwevin had departed.

      2. They were planning to follow the OS timeline and so Ben and Kai had to be married.


      1. AH- Spider-man logic...I actually feel a little mad about it now. Not mad enough to hate OV, as its clearly the best sequel series but pretty mad.

      2. AH- I see. Though, ultimately that's im-POSS-ible as in the OS future Kevin was a bad guy and for all intents and purposes Gwen was magic. So what, are we to believe that that episode with Kevin's son was just a test for his son and second cousin twice removed?! Just silly.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
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      Actually it was because of these 2 reasons

      1. The writers didn't care about Benlie (it is harsh) and wanted to create a new love story for Ben since Gwevin had departed.

      2. They were planning to follow the OS timeline and so Ben and Kai had to be married.


      1. AH- Spider-man logic...I actually feel a little mad about it now. Not mad enough to hate OV, as its clearly the best sequel series but pretty mad.

      2. AH- I see. Though, ultimately that's im-POSS-ible as in the OS future Kevin was a bad guy and for all intents and purposes Gwen was magic. So what, are we to believe that that episode with Kevin's son was just a test for his son and second cousin twice removed?! Just silly.


      2- Well Kevin was a bad guy but he got cured as shown in End of an Era. Also it might be that Gwen was trying to mask her anodite powers so not to reveal it to her younger self. 

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      What the...how come all these comments got removed?


      Because they were off-topic. :/

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    • Yes It seems we all went off topic here, and off topic content is not allowed. We should just be posting only what we wanted to see in the reboot, which is what this thread/topic is about.

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    • Why not make the reboot about a teenage Ben Tennyson finding the Omnitrix. I mean the show doesn't HAVE to be about a 10 year old ben finding the Omnitirix, all it needs is Ben finding the Omnitrix with 10 alien forms to pick from.

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    • It has been confirmed Ben will be 10 yr old.

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    • BenBFF wrote: I didn't understand one word.

      What do you mean by that?Which word are you talking about?

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    • BenBFF wrote: It has been confirmed Ben will be 10 yr old.

      Why not two seperate shows of ben 10?it's a win-win for the kids and grown ups.

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    • Midhat.ali.79 wrote:

      BenBFF wrote: It has been confirmed Ben will be 10 yr old.

      Why not two seperate shows of ben 10?it's a win-win for the kids and grown ups.


      Well I don't think CN will be interested in that. Will grown ups buy toys,watches,backpacks and other accessories for Ben 10?

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    • BenBFF wrote:
      Midhat.ali.79 wrote:

      BenBFF wrote: It has been confirmed Ben will be 10 yr old.

      Why not two seperate shows of ben 10?it's a win-win for the kids and grown ups.

      Well I don't think CN will be interested in that. Will grown ups buy toys,watches,backpacks and other accessories for Ben 10?

      What if one show could sell merchendise while the other gets viewers. I mean not all shows try to sell merch to there viewers, like  Steven Universe and that show has tons of fans and gets tons of viewers

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    • R&CFOREVER wrote:
      BenBFF wrote:
      Midhat.ali.79 wrote:

      BenBFF wrote: It has been confirmed Ben will be 10 yr old.

      Why not two seperate shows of ben 10?it's a win-win for the kids and grown ups.

      Well I don't think CN will be interested in that. Will grown ups buy toys,watches,backpacks and other accessories for Ben 10?

      What if one show could sell merchendise while the other gets viewers. I mean not all shows try to sell merch to there viewers, like  Steven Universe and that show has tons of fans and gets tons of viewers


      ^^^

      But SU does not sell merchandise because CN thinks girls don't buy merch.

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    • Still there is a less chance.

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    • 11 Reasons why I want a standalone Lucky Girl series:

      1. It is absolutely long overdue.

      2. The Ben 10 franchise has established that there are many different universes.

      3. I felt it's better to establish and develop Gwevin in a standalone series than the Ben 10 reboot. Remember, the reboot will be from Man of Action's perspective.

      4. Ultimate Alien was basically Alien Force, but with terrible writing.

      5. Gwen had the worst writing and outfit in Ultimate Alien, The more I think about it, the more I hate Ultimate Alien!

      6. I have absolutely no patience for Ben 10 fans who still continue to resist the idea of a standalone Lucky Girl series!

      7. Most of the female characters in Ultimate Alien & Omniverse were treated as love interests and have little personality.

      8. I want to see Man of Action establish Bezel as a magical demension.

      9. Ashley Johnson really deserves her own superhero cartoon.

      10. A few recent CN pilots have a female protagonist, not to mention the Powerpuff Girls is coming back. &

      11. A lot of recent movies and TV shows are now giving female characters better writing. 

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    • I would actually wouldn't mind to seeing a Lucky Girl series, since the multiverse has been established in Ben 10. Even if it was a 'what if?', I wouldn't mind.

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    • Nobody should mind if a Lucky Girl series was created. If they didn't like it, the solution would be to change the channel. Unfortunately, it appears there aren't any plans for one. It may be a good thing, however, seeing as how just about every female character with any significance since Alien Force has been presented as a romantic interest for someone. I don't know about you guys, but I'd prefer if the reboot had zero (or close to zero) romance.

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    • Well we could pray,wish and hope that they can somehow make another show of ben which is the ben prime better graphics or version or it's bring back the graphics or version of ben 10 from AF to UA,bring back it's design and personality of the characters(or keep ben's omniverse design or version)have the characters develop as the episodes go by but keep it's old personalities(depends on the characters looks and it's react or be the same just a bit more develop or something) and you know it'll all start in the end of the episode of a new dawn,the real or the original one,and let the reboot be a different universe of ben 10 and also the CN let the creator of Steven Universe sell their merchandise and make and sell toys of their show

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    • @ Midhat ali- Pls improve ur English.

      Also I suppose Adwaita would be the main villain if a Lucky Girl series occured. (Since Hex is now good and Charmcaster trapped).

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    • What I really hope is that they have all the aliens they have shown so far in addition to new ones. Basically, follow the franchise as closely as possible while implementing new things here and there; for instance, DO NOT replace all of the OS aliens with brand new ones and have only one or two appear every now and then. Feedback and the OS aliens MUST debut first before anything else.

      Later on, follow closely to Alien Force and maybe have the OS aliens appear every now and then.

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    • OOH- if Charmcaster redeems herself, DON'T make her go crazy and not be cured. That...that was a bad ending for her in my opinion.

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    • Yoshimickster wrote: OOH- if Charmcaster redeems herself, DON'T make her go crazy and not be cured. That...that was a bad ending for her in my opinion.

      Not everyone can have/deserve a happy ending.

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    • Oneofthosedf wrote:

      Yoshimickster wrote: OOH- if Charmcaster redeems herself, DON'T make her go crazy and not be cured. That...that was a bad ending for her in my opinion.

      Not everyone can have/deserve a happy ending.

      Yeah but it wasn't her fault! The Alpha Rune overloaded her making her go crazy, and what's worse they didn't even IMPLY at the end that they' try to help her, they just ended it on a joke! If not for Bezel showing up an being hilarious, that story-line wouln't hold water.

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    • I would like to see Charmcaster reedeem herself permanetly in this series if not a later one. They've had multiple ocassions where they ALMOST did this, but then she went back to being insane and crazy; I'm glad that Hex at least gave up his evil ways. That was satisfying at the very least.

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    • Personally, I don't want to see Charmcaster to be good, I want her to be neutral, also, Hex sucks as a good guy.

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    • BenBFF wrote: @ Midhat ali- Pls improve ur English.

      Also I suppose Adwaita would be the main villain if a Lucky Girl series occured. (Since Hex is now good and Charmcaster trapped).

      What is wrong with english?!I written it right!I did not make any mistake.

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    • Oh please,they should like remove this reboot and fix the design and personality of the characters of the show also fix the graphics or version.

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    • You really think you are saying  perfect english?

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    • Get rid of Kai, have Gwen and Kevin break up and go back to the AF/UA art style.

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    • OS Art style with at least ten new aliens

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    • What it should NOT have are politics and serious drama.  I want it to appeal to the general audience without people caring so much about things like lack of depth or the common accusation of poor writing.  Seriously, why make a big deal out of those when you can make an action show that people can have fun with?

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    • I'd actually like it to have depth and drama. Given proper treatment, it could work out.

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    • UltiVerse wrote: I'd actually like it to have depth and drama. Given proper treatment, it could work out.

      Why? Because I worry shows like that will be like Legend of Korra, and I can tell you, they took the fun out of action shows by taking things seriously.

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    • Note: "Given proper treatment". If they balance out the action, humor, romance, suspense, drama and stuff, it should be fine. :)

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    • Ben 10 Ultimate alien is a perfect example of what Ulti is talking about.

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    • No, Alien Force is. UA is an OS wannabe.

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    • Alien Force was more serious.

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    • The main problem with each Ben 10 sequel series is that they're just unbalanced in terms of themes, unlike the original show. They knew how to balance story, humor, stand-alone eps, and drama. Let's hope the reboot at least has that balance.

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    • I think OV was well-balanced as well but I have to note that it is easier to balance with fewer themes.

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    • Oneofthosedf wrote:
      I think OV was well-balanced as well but I have to note that it is easier to balance with fewer themes.

      Themewise yes, but in terms of story-archs and stand-alones there was a HUGE imbalance. Heck, MOST of the episodes were stand-alones, one of the season-finales was a stand-alone! 

      Of all the minor stuff I hope the reboot has, new aliens, three dimensional villains, all I really hope is that it has a true balance.

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    • Stand alone? Which finale was an stand alone?

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    • Arc 5 had standalone finales because they were meant to celebrate Ben 10's 199th and 200th episodes. Also, I don't think you are right since most of Arc 5 was about Galactic Monsters.

      Every arc had episodes connecting to the finales but all of them had standalone episodes as well. I don't see the problem with that. How are they supposed to use characters for their own story if they connect everything to the finales?

      Anyways, I like that we have a reboot. We won't have 300 recurring characters, so we won't have fans complaining about 2 that didn't return. Overall, we will have less fans complaining. (I hope)

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    • Midhat.ali.79 wrote: I don't know she's looks okay to me,doesn't makes sense to make a new love interest and what about kenny?You may know that like how child lkes and dislikes changes when they grow also Kai seems as an advanturer type she like to do action too,it also makes a strange sense that in the world's dangerous game show you see at the end they both blush at eachother and even when they are annoyed at eachother they still have a bond it really makes no sense for them to do that,i'd say keep her in ben's interest cause you never know when she might start to get close to him and may be might say like as annoying as he might be she still has some sort of a strange feelings for him and out of all the boys that maybe she has been traveling with his granpa across the world,there is no one like him cause Ben has something that no one else have...maybe caring and good side,doing what is right protect innocents (even if some of them are not friendly towards him and also not a friend of him) stuff like that,in short Kai will slowly start to like him and they might have a good relationship,what do you think? Also,do you think it is him as 10 year old or this time it's him as an 11 year old?

      Why would anyone want to keep her around? There are multiple futures in Ben 10, so the one in Omniverse is just one of countless possibilities.

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    • Lady Satsuki wrote:

      Why would anyone want to keep her around? There are multiple futures in Ben 10, so the one in Omniverse is just one of countless possibilities.

      Not everyone hates her, or cares about the romance.

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    • @DF

      You are so wrong. People will complain that why didn't this character appear, why didn't that in the rebooot.

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    • BenBFF wrote:
      Stand alone? Which finale was an stand alone?

      The one where "The Real Ben 10" signed the earth, and they were goint to sell it to a guy who we were supposed to believe was all powerful but the episode had him do stuff that REALLY wasn't that impressive power-wise. Good stand-alone, weak season finale. Thi

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    • That was because the U.S. messed up the airing. That was just a regular filler. Check out this to see how the episodes were meant to air (and aired in specific countries). Ben 10: Omniverse/Episodes/Production Order

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    • Oneofthosedf wrote:
      That was because the U.S. messed up the airing. That was just a regular filler. Check out this to see how the episodes were meant to air (and aired in specific countries). Ben 10: Omniverse/Episodes/Production Order

      AH- I see now, because I was like "THIS was the season finale? Uh...why?!"

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    • So now I hope u understand. Same goes for season 2.

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    • All series have ten new aliens so the new series should too

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    • New villians like this computer virus called the phantom virus

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    • Ben10fan3 wrote: Here is what I think the Reboot should have (Feel free to share your own!):

      • Make the art style a more of a mix between OS, AF/UA's and OV's. Basically have it mainly be OV, but have pupils like in OS and AF/UA. For the OS part, there would be a variety of eye coloring for the aliens and the OS aliens look more like their OS look.
      • Introduce new Villains as well as old. Especially Sublimino and Clancy as we didn't see them in Omniverse, and they had REAL potential.
      • Make most outfits for the aliens OS-styled, so keep it classic.
      • Have Feedback and the OS aliens appear. (We need all of them to appear) But, after that there should be new aliens.
      • There also could be aliens from AF+ but with redesigns and OS outfitting because I would really like to see all of the aliens introduced in AF+.
      • Have a balance between comedy and seriousness, like in OS.
      • Show Ben 10,000. And have new aliens for him, with the possibility of aliens from AF+ shown from his use of them.
      • Have a sequel,  to show this Ben maturing like he did in AF and maybe unlocking some of the aliens Ben 10K unlocked.
      • Have Villains from AF+ be cameos like in Incarcecon or in the Null Void, just so we can see they exist in this dimension.
      • More will be Added

      Like Clockwork in Ben Again?

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    • Waybig101 wrote:

      Ben10fan3 wrote: Here is what I think the Reboot should have (Feel free to share your own!):

      • Make the art style a more of a mix between OS, AF/UA's and OV's. Basically have it mainly be OV, but have pupils like in OS and AF/UA. For the OS part, there would be a variety of eye coloring for the aliens and the OS aliens look more like their OS look.
      • Introduce new Villains as well as old. Especially Sublimino and Clancy as we didn't see them in Omniverse, and they had REAL potential.
      • Make most outfits for the aliens OS-styled, so keep it classic.
      • Have Feedback and the OS aliens appear. (We need all of them to appear) But, after that there should be new aliens.
      • There also could be aliens from AF+ but with redesigns and OS outfitting because I would really like to see all of the aliens introduced in AF+.
      • Have a balance between comedy and seriousness, like in OS.
      • Show Ben 10,000. And have new aliens for him, with the possibility of aliens from AF+ shown from his use of them.
      • Have a sequel,  to show this Ben maturing like he did in AF and maybe unlocking some of the aliens Ben 10K unlocked.
      • Have Villains from AF+ be cameos like in Incarcecon or in the Null Void, just so we can see they exist in this dimension.
      • More will be Added
      Like Clockwork in Ben Again?


      What do you mean?

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    • There is no need for overquoting.

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    • Nobody has overquoted.

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    • I've always hated Ben 10,000's design, so unless they go with a clean-shaven version I hope he doesn't appear.

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    • Blaziken rjcf wrote:
      Nobody has overquoted.


      Ben10Fan3 didn't need to actually quote such a big reply.

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    • BenBFF wrote:
      Blaziken rjcf wrote:
      Nobody has overquoted.

      Ben10Fan3 didn't need to actually quote such a big reply.


      ... Over-quoting is when you quote the quote 5 times.

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    • 3 times, actually.

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    • Ok, good to know.

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    • Okay, so is the new series set in between the original series and Alien Force or is it a complete remake? If it is a remake I will be really upset.

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    • Remake.

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    • Ben10fan3 wrote:

      Waybig101 wrote:

      Ben10fan3 wrote: Here is what I think the Reboot should have (Feel free to share your own!):

      • Make the art style a more of a mix between OS, AF/UA's and OV's. Basically have it mainly be OV, but have pupils like in OS and AF/UA. For the OS part, there would be a variety of eye coloring for the aliens and the OS aliens look more like their OS look.
      • Introduce new Villains as well as old. Especially Sublimino and Clancy as we didn't see them in Omniverse, and they had REAL potential.
      • Make most outfits for the aliens OS-styled, so keep it classic.
      • Have Feedback and the OS aliens appear. (We need all of them to appear) But, after that there should be new aliens.
      • There also could be aliens from AF+ but with redesigns and OS outfitting because I would really like to see all of the aliens introduced in AF+.
      • Have a balance between comedy and seriousness, like in OS.
      • Show Ben 10,000. And have new aliens for him, with the possibility of aliens from AF+ shown from his use of them.
      • Have a sequel,  to show this Ben maturing like he did in AF and maybe unlocking some of the aliens Ben 10K unlocked.
      • Have Villains from AF+ be cameos like in Incarcecon or in the Null Void, just so we can see they exist in this dimension.
      • More will be Added
      Like Clockwork in Ben Again?


      What do you mean?

      Like this
      11Clockwork
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    • I wish they cancel the reboot or make this one from a different universe (dimension). Do you think this is a good a idea to either cancel the and start a new one fix the designs,graphics or version and personalities (or keep the same old personalities) of the characters of ben 10 or make this reboot show be in a different dimension and not the ben prime or the original dimension.what do you think it should have been?

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    • What they REALLY should do, not ignoring every other suggestion, is have all of the OS aliens that Ben 10,000 had mixed with Ben's original playlist. They should especially bring back Spitter, because they completely ignored him for all three sequels, and his powers are super useful.

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    • Spitter + Sandbox + Shellhead + Snakepit + Squidstrictor + Rocks + Portaler + Some New aliens.

      I know this is probably not gonna happen but still I would love this lineup.

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    • What they could do and would be pretty stupid and wont make any sense, but i would watch it anyways, is to make right all the timeline.

      That is right, present from the beginning and early the alien part of Ben 10, like Gwen and Charmcaster are aliens when they have 10 is present but they doesnt know it until the sequel, in the sequel series, make the art design the same and dont change the origin or way to act of characters like Dr. Animo, Forever Knights or even Charmcaster.

      I would love they erase and make again, but this time right, the secret Highbreed Invasion, i would love to see more and even then i would love to see new versions of everything. 

      But that would not be fun, make the things have sense will not change anything and dont have sense to do it in this reboot. 

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    • What i really expect and i know i will get is:

      All the regular villains will be gone; (Subliminal, Zombozo, Clancy, Rojo) with luck Hex will stay, the Forever Knights will not change a lot, Vilgax and Charmcaster wont be strange new versions of the characters and even the long etc... of Old enemys will be there.

      But i dont expect a lot of this, i know they cant erase the Forever Knights, Vilgax and Charmcaster because they are a big part, i know they wont erase Zs'Skyar or at less that is what i hope.

      But i know the Highbreeds are dead, Diagon, Khyber, Malware, Incurseans, Rooters, Albedo, Maltruant, every single one of this characters wont be in this reboot if we have luck, if we hasnt then they will be erase. 

      I only hope, they bring something close to Omniverse mix with the good, basic, cliche and mediocre personality of the Ben of AF/UA.

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    • It's Sublimo not Subliminal.

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    • BenBFF wrote:
      It's Sublimo not Subliminal.

      I am from Latin America, so here it is Subliminal, not Sublimo and of course Rojo is Rojo. 

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    • I'm only caring about graphics for crying out loud. Watching the Ben on the reboot page makes me think the graphics is gonna be the worst one.

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    • AwesomeBoy wrote:
      I'm only caring about graphics for crying out loud. Watching the Ben on the reboot page makes me think the graphics is gonna be the worst one.

      The Background characters of Alien Force and Ultimate Alien are the worst ones and will forever be the worst ones, everything can beat that. 

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    • Dont start this argument again. Some prefer UA design while others prefer OV design. It is our preferences. Don't argue which is better.

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    • Ok. This forum is going off-topic. Let's please go back on topic.

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    • The reboot should have a Forever Queen.

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    • Btgr wrote:
      The reboot should have a Forever Queen.

      That could be cool, but the character would have to be too mature for the show, to be good, because if the genre and tone of this new show is based in Comedy and later Action, then a serious character could be off the tone.

      But a 2D and simple cliche, full of comedy Forever Queen, would hurt the show a lot. 

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    • BenBFF wrote:
      Dont start this argument again. Some prefer UA design while others prefer OV design. It is our preferences. Don't argue which is better.

      Yeah we shouldnt be arguing we should all just except that every design was and is still ben 10 even the reboot even though i believe it is stated that the artwork we got is not final so it could change it could not change who really knows at this point in time.

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    • Yeah,you are right violence doesn't solve anything but however i still think that the graphics or version from AF - UF designs and personalities of the ben 10 characters (from AF - UF) should be brought back and cancel the reboot or again they should make this reboot show be in a different dimention or different universe

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    • Midhat.ali.79 wrote:
      Yeah,you are right violence doesn't solve anything but however i still think that the graphics or version from AF - UF designs and personalities of the ben 10 characters (from AF - UF) should be brought back and cancel the reboot or again they should make this reboot show be in a different dimention or different universe

      The personalities and characters relationships were the best part in AF - UA, they find the way to create new and really good personalities for a teenager Gwen, Kevin and Ben, even better they find the way to create really nice (somethings cliche) but nice relationships between them.

      For me like that is the one and only part i can say was good in the series and it was one of the best development in all the franchise, i can say i would like that to have more presence in future series, in Omniverse it have presence and even better follow up but it wasnt the center of the show.

      What i can say and always i will always want is have back the great Omniverse plots, because Omniverse did really well that, until now Omniverse have the best development in plot i have never seen in all the series, creating one of the best characters forever (Malware) and even better giving old characters the spotlight they neve had or loose (Albedo, Incurseans, Zs'Skayr).

      If only AF would have had a better design, because the design was bad, really boring and simple, if they wanted and were going for something like "Batman: The Animated Series" i would prefer a lot how "Young Justice" did it, creating a really nice and mature design, but AF/UA design was really simple and clean, the aliens for example have the most boring and uncreative design i have seen in a while.

      I expect in this reboot, they could mix both things, the AF/UA character development, personalities and relationships mix with the Omniverse plots and level of design, that would give us the fans the best Ben 10 series.

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    • They should add Big Chill or Humongousaur, or another popular UAF alien, and drop a really unpopular alien from the first 10, like Ripjaws. I mean, his only powers were breathing underwater and biting stuff, and OS/UAF pretty much thought up all the situations where that came in handy. Give the UAF one a cross between their OV design and a new design that seems more OS-ish. So Big Chill preferrably would not have too big of a chest/abdomen for his wings, like in OV.

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    • Lothario69 wrote:

      Midhat.ali.79 wrote:
      Yeah,you are right violence doesn't solve anything but however i still think that the graphics or version from AF - UF designs and personalities of the ben 10 characters (from AF - UF) should be brought back and cancel the reboot or again they should make this reboot show be in a different dimention or different universe

      The personalities and characters relationships were the best part in AF - UA, they find the way to create new and really good personalities for a teenager Gwen, Kevin and Ben, even better they find the way to create really nice (somethings cliche) but nice relationships between them.

      For me like that is the one and only part i can say was good in the series and it was one of the best development in all the franchise, i can say i would like that to have more presence in future series, in Omniverse it have presence and even better follow up but it wasnt the center of the show.

      What i can say and always i will always want is have back the great Omniverse plots, because Omniverse did really well that, until now Omniverse have the best development in plot i have never seen in all the series, creating one of the best characters forever (Malware) and even better giving old characters the spotlight they neve had or loose (Albedo, Incurseans, Zs'Skayr).

      If only AF would have had a better design, because the design was bad, really boring and simple, if they wanted and were going for something like "Batman: The Animated Series" i would prefer a lot how "Young Justice" did it, creating a really nice and mature design, but AF/UA design was really simple and clean, the aliens for example have the most boring and uncreative design i have seen in a while.

      I expect in this reboot, they could mix both things, the AF/UA character development, personalities and relationships mix with the Omniverse plots and level of design, that would give us the fans the best Ben 10 series.

      What you mean as in level of design?i think just keep the old designs and personalities of the ben 10 characters sure maybe put some omniverse plots (sorry if you are offended by me saying ”Maybe put some omniverse plots“,if you can give me some examples of putting omniverse plots i would undertand) but no level of design,I don't want to see them look weird or strange or silly,it doesn't feel right and it won't look good (sorry for my disagreement)

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    • Greenwatchandabluebox wrote:
      They should add Big Chill or Humongousaur, or another popular UAF alien, and drop a really unpopular alien from the first 10, like Ripjaws. I mean, his only powers were breathing underwater and biting stuff, and OS/UAF pretty much thought up all the situations where that came in handy. Give the UAF one a cross between their OV design and a new design that seems more OS-ish. So Big Chill preferrably would not have too big of a chest/abdomen for his wings, like in OV.


      Ripjaws has a lot of fans. Probably more than the Big Chill fans (sadly).

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    • I am a Ripjaws fan, though his voice was ruined in Omniverse in my opinion.

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    • UltiVerse wrote:
      I am a Ripjaws fan, though his voice was ruined in Omniverse in my opinion.


      I have to agree. Some of Omniverse's voices were bad. But, the show did bring back old aspects and fixed many things about AF/UA.

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    • Ben10fan3 wrote:

      UltiVerse wrote:
      I am a Ripjaws fan, though his voice was ruined in Omniverse in my opinion.


      I have to agree. Some of Omniverse's voices were bad. But, the show did bring back old aspects and fixed many things about AF/UA.

      Old aspects such as?

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    • I personally think UAF improved on the original series, apart from the appalling romances.

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    • Midhat.ali.79 wrote:

      Ben10fan3 wrote:

      UltiVerse wrote:
      I am a Ripjaws fan, though his voice was ruined in Omniverse in my opinion.

      I have to agree. Some of Omniverse's voices were bad. But, the show did bring back old aspects and fixed many things about AF/UA.

      Old aspects such as?


      Creative and well-balanced aliens aliens, and stories that are enjoyable.

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    • Oh

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    • Ben10fan3 wrote:
      Greenwatchandabluebox wrote:
      They should add Big Chill or Humongousaur, or another popular UAF alien, and drop a really unpopular alien from the first 10, like Ripjaws. I mean, his only powers were breathing underwater and biting stuff, and OS/UAF pretty much thought up all the situations where that came in handy. Give the UAF one a cross between their OV design and a new design that seems more OS-ish. So Big Chill preferrably would not have too big of a chest/abdomen for his wings, like in OV.

      Ripjaws has a lot of fans. Probably more than the Big Chill fans (sadly).

      Really? OK, they can keep Ripjaws. Name a really unpopular alien from OS (not Upgrade, he was awesome, though he might not have a big following in the rest of the fans).

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    • Big Chill needs to appear stat. Add Swampfire while they're at it.

      I didn't know Ripjaws had such a large fanbase, I always thought he was overshadowed by other water aliens.

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    • Ripjaws was cool. Cool design, cool voice, very well choreographed underwater battles. He didn't appear too much as it was hard to animate him talking, due to the lack of lips. From the original 10 aliens, I think Stinkfly should definitely go. I, personally, wasn't a big fan of Wildmutt either.

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    • Well, at least the original 10 should be in the reboot. Maybe Goop, Swampfire, and Big Chill too.

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    • Oneofthosedf wrote:
      Ripjaws was cool. Cool design, cool voice, very well choreographed underwater battles. He didn't appear too much as it was hard to animate him talking, due to the lack of lips. From the original 10 aliens, I think Stinkfly should definitely go. I, personally, wasn't a big fan of Wildmutt either.

      It's not really about Ripjaws being hard to animate it's just he wasnt a practical alien outside of water. He needs water for him to stay alive on land.

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    • Superbike10 wrote:

      It's not really about Ripjaws being hard to animate it's just he wasnt a practical alien outside of water. He needs water for him to stay alive on land.

      They could have written more episodes where Ripjaws could have been needed/used.

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    • Oneofthosedf wrote:
      They could have written more episodes where Ripjaws could have been needed/used.

      That is true however most of the episodes usually took place on land.

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    • Superbike10 wrote:

      Oneofthosedf wrote:
      They could have written more episodes where Ripjaws could have been needed/used.

      That is true however most of the episodes usually took place on land.

      Because they are written for land.

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    • Honestly, I think they should bring back every useful alien from the original franchise, maybe mix up their abilities a bit.

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    • OK, post "Me" if you liked Upchuck in OS.

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    • As in, if I liked Upchuck, my post would look like this:

      Me.

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    • BenBFF wrote:
      Spitter + Sandbox + Shellhead + Snakepit + Squidstrictor + Rocks + Portaler + Some New aliens.

      I know this is probably not gonna happen but still I would love this lineup.

      Those could be new aliens, and they could keep the original 10!

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    • I would prefer new aliens. And guys remember that there will be 10 aliens. ( At least in the first season)

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    • UltiVerse wrote:
      Honestly, I think they should bring back every useful alien from the original franchise, maybe mix up their abilities a bit.

      Like giving Ghostfreak different "scary" powers? Maybe showing bad guys their greatest fear! Or having Waybig be able to change size, make Greymatter read minds, etc.


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    • Greenwatchandabluebox wrote:
      UltiVerse wrote:
      Honestly, I think they should bring back every useful alien from the original franchise, maybe mix up their abilities a bit.
      Like giving Ghostfreak different "scary" powers? Maybe showing bad guys their greatest fear! Or having Waybig be able to change size, make Greymatter read minds, etc.



      Yeah! I also hope that they'll give the villains more personality instead of them just being evil, you know? Make them have motives and a good background.

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    • UltiVerse wrote: Honestly, I think they should bring back every useful alien from the original franchise, maybe mix up their abilities a bit.

      Yes they should bring back the useful aliens but only from original franchise but also from AF-UA franchise as well,i agree on that part but no don't mix their abilities,if you are bringing back the old aliens then their powers or abilities has to be as what they are.

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    • BenBFF wrote:
      I would prefer new aliens. And guys remember that there will be 10 aliens. ( At least in the first season)


      I meant like he could gain those over time. Like with Cannonbolt and all those others in the OS.

      And not in the first season.

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    • Greenwatchandabluebox wrote:

      BenBFF wrote:
      I would prefer new aliens. And guys remember that there will be 10 aliens. ( At least in the first season)


      I meant like he could gain those over time. Like with Cannonbolt and all those others in the OS.

      And not in the first season.

      Like for an example?

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    • What? He is saying that while Ben originally had 10 aliens he gained more as the series progressed. And he has given Cannonbolt as anexample.

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    • Basically additional aliens to the original 10.

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    • Honestly, I'm glad they're adding new villains in addition to the classics like Vilgax and Dr.Animo, cuz if they just plotted the new series like the original it'd get boring quick.

      Some other topics for thought are the characters they haven't really given much extra thought since the OS like the Ben 10,000 from OS, y'know the formerly jerky one who sorta stopped naming his aliens, also Kenny, who in Omniverse ends up becoming Spanner, but what about original Kenny,also Devlin Levin,Kevin 11( hybrid/villain version), Xylene, and Myaxx.

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    • I wonder if the Kevin 11 arc will still happen. Maybe he could become a good guy faster.

      I also want to see Darkstar and maybe some Omniverse villains like Malware.

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    • I don't know if most of you are aware but there is another ben 10 forum on the web and i would like to direct you all to it Ben10.englishboard.net this has been here for a while so please take a look at it.

      On that note in the reboot i hope we get to see the rooters earlier since they thought ben was a threat when he was  a kid maybe in this universe they take action earlier.

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    • I've had enough of Ashley Johnson. I'm fine with getting a brand new younger actress to voice Gwen & Lucky Girl.

      I couldn't stand gamers banging on about Troy Baker & The Last of Us along with Ellie's swearing & constantly ignoring Greg Cipes. As a result I got into Star Wars Rebels and I was forced to like Sabine Wren.

      When people started banging on about some new TV show called "Blindspot", it really crossed the line for me. I don't like Ashley Johnson anymore & I don't care about her anymore because I will never sellout the Ben 10 franchise for The Last of Us nor Blindspot. 

      In conclusion, get a younger actress to voice Gwen & Lucky Girl this time.

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    • Do you dislike her just because of the fanbase or her voice itself?

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    • Stryzzar wrote:
      Do you dislike her just because of the fanbase or her voice itself?

      I dislike her because of her fanbase, people still think it's "amusing" when she tries too hard to act like Joe Pesci and I felt too many dramatic characters she voices are sore losers.

      Her voice acting record on IMDB is pathetic.

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    • New Aliens!

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    • Yoshimickster wrote:
      Fleh, a flan can dream! I just think it would be cool is Servantis had a back up plan this whole time that he planned out to the letter. I'd also like to think that that her secret Rooter programming was the root of her attraction to Ben because...well dangit I never saw the chemistry between them(which is weird since their voice performers are married in real life). Kai? Yes. Julie? Yes. Esther? Eh. You have no i-DEA how little I cared when she broke up with Ben for that shaved Lobo guy. Don't get me wrong, she's an interesting character but as a love-interest she always fell a little flat with me.

      ^

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    • Btgr wrote:

      Stryzzar wrote:
      Do you dislike her just because of the fanbase or her voice itself?

      I dislike her because of her fanbase, people still think it's "amusing" when she tries too hard to act like Joe Pesci and I felt too many dramatic characters she voices are sore losers.

      Her voice acting record on IMDB is pathetic.

      Okay thanks. She did get a lot of hype lately thanks to last of us, I'm okay with her but she doesn't have much versatility.

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    • Im just gonna slide this in here https://twitter.com/rouleau1/status/648392011553177600 BIG ANNOUNCEMENT GUYS!!! 

      What do you think it is?

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    • OK, for aliens that appeared in pre-existing Ben 10 Series I would like:

      Wildmutt: Use 11yr OV appearance, but with OS Omnitrix

      Fourarms: Use 11yr OV appearance, but with OS Omnitrix, new Ben's shirt, and yellow eyes

      XLR8: Follow guidelines in above preferred alien designs, and give him white eyes

      Diamondhead: Something more like his UAF appearance with yellow eyes

      Upgrade: OS appearance

      Ripjaws: OV appearance, but with his OS clothes using grey instead of black and eyes like Magister Ptelliday

      Humongousaur: UAF appearance, but white eyes and Ben's new shirt

      Ghostfreak: OS, but with UA big eye and grey OV chains

      Heatblast: OS appearance

      Cannonbolt: OS appearance

      Wildvine: 11yr OV appearance, but blue eyes and OS Omnitrix symbol

      Upchuck: OS appearance

      Ditto or Echo Echo: Ditto, OV 11yr appearance, but OS Omnitrix symbol and Ben's new shirt's color scheme. Echo Echo, AF but with OS Omnitrix symbol on his head.

      The Monster Aliens: OS appearance, but Ben's new shirt color scheme where needed.

      Waybig: OV, but with OS color scheme.

      Eye Guy: OS, but with grey instead of black

      Feedback: OV, but with a yellow eye with a pupil and OS Omnitrix symbol

      Goop: AF with OS Omnitrix symbol

      Big Chill: OV, but with Eye Guy pants (grey instead of black) and Ben's new shirt.

      Not like this exact alien combo or set of appearances is going to happen anytime soon, in all likelihood they will bring in Jetray instead of Goop or Big Chill and give them brand-new clothes and slightly new designs.

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    • That list is pretty good, the only problem I have about it is the idea for Diamondhead's appearance.

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    • I don't think they will be using the os color scemes since those designs were made to fit bens clothes specifically his shirt because the omnitrix adapated his clothes into the aliens so i think most designs would ben green and black since they are doing full redesigns.

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    • The Omnitriforcer wrote:
      I don't think they will be using the os color scemes since those designs were made to fit bens clothes specifically his shirt because the omnitrix adapated his clothes into the aliens so i think most designs would ben green and black since they are doing full redesigns.

      Agreed, they will probably be green and black due to his new clothing.

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    • Also, if any OS alien is going to get removed, I say it should be Grey Matter. Ripjaws needs more time to shine. I also say Wildmutt should be removed too, but he is somewhat unique.

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    • No naked aliens

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    • Why greymatter is the creator of the omnitrixies species if they ever wanna show azmuth it would be wierd for newer viewers to not know what he is so greymatter should be in it besides how else are they gonna do the ben wants to turn into a strong alien but turns into greymatter gag.

      another question do you guys think the omnitrix symbol on the aliens will be grey and white like in os or green and black like in af/ua/ov20.94395d10239

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    • Again if the reboot show is on a different universe or a different dimension then we won't have a problem since this is not the ben 10 prime,this is wrong to reboot the show someone should definitely vote the cancellation of this show.Or vote that this reboot show in a different dimension.

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    • I really hope the Omnitrix symbol stays green.

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    • I do not know if I've mentioned this here, but the reboot probably will be like Steven Universe... Light and comedy-based in the first half of season 1, then a huge storm of conflicting feelings later! I really don't believe Man of Action Studios will let us down.

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    • GoodVibesGorgeous1999 wrote:
      I do not know if I've mentioned this here, but the reboot probably will be like Steven Universe... Light and comedy-based in the first half of season 1, then a huge storm of conflicting feelings later! I really don't believe Man of Action Studios will let us down.

      yeah me neither man of action has always been good i mean hey they created big hero 6.

      so whos hoping to see paradox in the reboot i know i am.

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    • I agree with GoodVibes, I really hope it has feels like Steven Universe!

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    • Echoson wrote:
      I agree with GoodVibes, I really hope it has feels like Steven Universe!

      i dont really like steven universe what is it like? i hope its not to silly

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    • Echoson's review of Steven Universe.

      spoilers (duh).

      I'll say it is way better than any modern cartoons on right now like Breadwinners, Teen Titans goSonic Boom, Uncle Grandpa, Sanjay and Craig, etc. Season one is trying to find it's footing, while season 2 brings on the feels and character development. Each character is unique and has great personalities.

      The main charcters are Garnet, Amethyst, Pearl and Steven, also known as the Crystal Gems trying to teach Steven how to use his powers while protecting Beach City from corrupted gems, Clusters, and the main antagonists, the Homeworld Gems. There are some pretty lame episodes (like the Ronaldo ones, they really suck) or the crossover with Uncle Grandpa. I really like the character development and feels episodes the most. It also tackles topics like loneliness, war and it supports lesbians.

      Overall I'll say it is a great show that is as good as Gravity Falls. 8/10.

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    • I don't support same gender love,but been very close friends as in best friends is a good thing,someone should complain about this reboot show of ben 10 show.

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    • I was first talking about the steven universe show about sme gender (sadly...i don't know it's original spelling) while they are genderless and appeared to be female it still doesn't seen right it completely isn't right at all,anyways it could have been a two shows of ben 10,one for the kids and be in another for different dimensions and the second be the original show that we all know and love very much or could have given to someone who know alot of experience about the show and make awesome,maybe if one of the staff member might know alot of experience about ben 10 maybe they or one of them....could make the show that is pretty awesome,funny,drama...,tragic, show and bring the alien forms especially their old designs (and maybe bring back some old voice actors of the alien forms like ripjaw's voice actor) ect.

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    • That is what I want, Ben 10 with feels and relatability. An honest question, how much do you relate with Ben?

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    • Echoson wrote:
      Echoson's review of Steven Universe.

      spoilers (duh).

      I'll say it is way better than any modern cartoons on right now like Breadwinners, Teen Titans goSonic Boom, Uncle Grandpa, Sanjay and Craig, etc. Season one is trying to find it's footing, while season 2 brings on the feels and character development. Each character is unique and has great personalities.

      The main charcters are Garnet, Amethyst, Pearl and Steven, also known as the Crystal Gems trying to teach Steven how to use his powers while protecting Beach City from corrupted gems, Clusters, and the main antagonists, the Homeworld Gems. There are some pretty lame episodes (like the Ronaldo ones, they really suck) or the crossover with Uncle Grandpa. I really like the character development and feels episodes the most. It also tackles topics like loneliness, war and it supports lesbians.

      Overall I'll say it is a great show that is as good as Gravity Falls. 8/10.

      is there any action in the show? if ben 10 is like gravity falls then i would be totally ok with it because i love gravity falls wierdly enough since i don't really like silly cartoons that much.

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    • how dare u kal gravity fulls silly!!!!1 - Fanboy2015

      Anyways Steven Universe has some action, like in Jailbreak, tho the fights end in like 5 seconds.

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    • Echoson wrote:
      how dare u kal gravity fulls silly!!!!1 - Fanboy2015

      Anyways Steven Universe has some action, like in Jailbreak, tho the fights end in like 5 seconds.

      oh come on it is kinda silly it has a girl in it that loves sparkles and has a pig named waddles.

      Anyways how are the fight scenes gonna be only 5 secs in ben 10 since it has always been a show based around fighting crime.

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    • The Omnitriforcer wrote:
      Echoson wrote:
      how dare u kal gravity fulls silly!!!!1 - Fanboy2015

      Anyways Steven Universe has some action, like in Jailbreak, tho the fights end in like 5 seconds.

      oh come on it is kinda silly it has a girl in it that loves sparkles and has a pig named waddles.

      Anyways how are the fight scenes gonna be only 5 secs in ben 10 since it has always been a show based around fighting crime.

      Well, if the reboot is like Gravity Falls and/or Steven Universe, it won't be that silly since Ben 10 doesn't have many silly characters.

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    • In case you haven't notice, I was being sarcastic with my fanboy comment. Anyways who says Ben 10 doesn't have silly characters? We are introduced to a bunch in Omniverse, and a lot of characters from the previous serious is much more silly and comedy based in Omniverse.

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    • Echoson wrote:
      In case you haven't notice, I was being sarcastic with my fanboy comment. Anyways who says Ben 10 doesn't have silly characters? We are introduced to a bunch in Omniverse, and a lot of characters from the previous serious is much more silly and comedy based in Omniverse.

      yeah and who says they cant make silly people i mean this is a reboot its not very likely that they wont make new characters for the show and in omniverse blucik and driba was silly along with clyde fife and they even made argit pretty silly

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    • Argit has always been silly though, plus the reboot is confirmed to be more comedy forcused.

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    • Echoson wrote:
      Argit has always been silly though, plus the reboot is confirmed to be more comedy forcused.

      thats what im saying that ben 10 has silly characters even some of bens aliens are silly like spider monkey and ditto and jury rigg


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    • ben 23 big chill but AF design

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    • The Omnitriforcer wrote:
      Echoson wrote:
      how dare u kal gravity fulls silly!!!!1 - Fanboy2015

      Anyways Steven Universe has some action, like in Jailbreak, tho the fights end in like 5 seconds.

      oh come on it is kinda silly it has a girl in it that loves sparkles and has a pig named waddles.

      Anyways how are the fight scenes gonna be only 5 secs in ben 10 since it has always been a show based around fighting crime.


      It could be silly a little if they try hard to make it so. Also it is impossible to have a 5-second fight scene in Ben 10 unless it is like at the beginning of Goodbye and Good Riddance where it showed that really short scene of stopping a criminal, as if to say, "It was a normal day in the life of Ben Tennyson" and then confront him with something completely mundane and therefore abnormal, like school.

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    • The Omnitriforcer wrote:
      Echoson wrote:
      Argit has always been silly though, plus the reboot is confirmed to be more comedy forcused.
      thats what im saying that ben 10 has silly characters even some of bens aliens are silly like spider monkey and ditto and jury rigg


      HOW IS SPIDERMONKEY SILLY? Also the Worst and Walkatrout are silly. Enormously so. Here are some scenes of them being silly.

      File:Walkatroutissilly.png
      File:Theworstissilly.jpg
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    • Greenwatchandabluebox wrote:
      The Omnitriforcer wrote:
      Echoson wrote:
      Argit has always been silly though, plus the reboot is confirmed to be more comedy forcused.
      thats what im saying that ben 10 has silly characters even some of bens aliens are silly like spider monkey and ditto and jury rigg


      HOW IS SPIDERMONKEY SILLY? Also the Worst and Walkatrout are silly. Enormously so. Here are some scenes of them being silly.
      File:Walkatroutissilly.png
      File:Theworstissilly.jpg


      Sorry i didnt mean spidermonkey was silly just that he cracks jokes alot. The silliest alien is walkatrout and the worst since the worst totally makes fun of himself lol.

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    • Big Chill cracks even more jokes, he puts Arnold Schwarzenegger's Mr. Freeze to shame.

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    • I hope this reboot show was in a different universe, Can someone please comment or ask the question to the man if action that is the reboot show of ben 10 is in a different universe? I hope so,i really don't think you should do a reboot of the show of ben 10,I watch that show since i was little girl and....was very in loved with him(Idk how many you you ben 10 fangirl are there who might also have the same feelings on him but if their isn't and if I'm somehow creeping you out then i am very sorry about that i am just expressing my feelings and love of the show to you,i am very sorry about that) he looks very cute then when he is a teen man oh man was he so handsome and silly but very serious and caring or selfless,in omniverse,he did not look good but still has the same old personality but a bit different which I prefer his same old personality but maybe a bit more understanding and have the same old style along with the show's style or version or design or the graphics however the show is interesting,silly,action and some suprise secrets but i am still bothered though the show's episodes is interesting but it looks not so good. Reboot show is not a good idea,it should have started something else.I already commented on they should've make make a new show and start with ben calling qwen to call kevin that they're going on a road trip and the antagonist of the show is malware,the show must've the old design or version of AF-UA,the graphics too ect,or make two of the same show just one show will be at a different universe and this show will be the show for the kids while the other be the ben prime universe and that show will be a show for teens and maybe grown ups with better or same old looks from AF-UA ect.

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    • Yeah, no. Honestly, it would benefit the series more if they get rid of the multiverse concept. Yes, it is pretty cool to see all the various different versions of Ben in different timelines but the problem of the multiverse is that it over complicated the series, bloated the world of Ben 10, and it is an unnecessary and unfitting concept for the Ben 10 series. Ben 10 is about Ben learning to become a true hero with a Sci-Fi/Action alien setting. Where does a multiverse fit into that? Simple, it doesn't. The writers overdid it with the series by adding the multiverse. The world of Ben 10 is already vast enough. What the multiverse did more was just unnecessarily overcomplicate and bloat that world. That and all the stupid changes in the continuity that the sequel writers made. I bet you anything that Man of Action didn't even want the series to focus on a multiverse. Overall, what the multiverse did more was that it over did the world of Ben 10. Overcomplicate it. Sparked more questions than answers.

      It's better to focus on one timeline in the Ben 10 series. To focus on one Universe. To set up just one world and just focus on that one world. This will help keep the series complex and simple and to prevent it from being overcomplicating. To allow the world of Ben 10 to be vast yet not overwhelming.

      I do agree that there shouldn't be a reboot of the Original Series, though. I'd rather have a reboot of Alien Force. Man of Action originally had a pitched sequel idea called Hero Generation but Cartoon Network had a disagreement with certain elements of this idea and, for some reason, removed Man of Action from being involved with the Ben 10 series and replaced them with new writers, only to end up creating a lot of problems with the sequels. Ben 10 Hero Generation should be the reboot for the series. Cartoon Network should let Man of Action make the sequel to the Original Series that Man of Action wanted to make. That is what the reboot should be and needs to be.

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    • I like the mutliverse, it gives Ben 10 new ideas.

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    • Well, again, there are some pretty cool concepts of the multiverse in Ben 10 and an idea of a multiverse in general is great. If you like the multiverse, I'm fine with that. However, there is a difference between using a great concept and using the right concept. Again, a multiverse is a great concept and idea but is it the right choice to put into Ben 10? Not really. As I stated, it doesn't fit into the style and world of Ben 10 and considering that the world of Ben 10 is already quite vast, a multiverse is just unnecessary and, again, does more of overcomplicating that world and bloating it. It adds too much into Ben 10.

      Again, if you like the multiverse, that's fine. To me, it's unnecessary, it doesn't fit into Ben 10, it overcomplicated the series, and the multiverse just overall doesn't work for the Ben 10 series. It's better and more beneficial not to focus on a multiverse but instead to just focus on one single timeline. To get rid of the concept of the multiverse and only focus on one universe, one timeline, one world, and one Ben.

      Again, the multiverse is a great idea and concept and does bring new elements to the Ben 10 series, but really, it's just not the right concept to put into Ben 10. The multiverse concept just doesn't fit and work for Ben 10.

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    • Ben10fan3 wrote:
      Man of Action returns as the executive producers of the show. So this show has potential.

      Also the Aliens from the previous series

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    • Actually, speaking of the aliens in the Ben 10 sereis, at least a few weeks ago, a Ben 10 fan contacted me saying that he has the artwork for the Ben 10 Reboot. He didn't want to show it to me because he promised not to show it to anyone and wants to keep it "Top Secret" (although, now that I'm thinking about it, it's not a secret anymore so maybe I should point that out to him). Now, I don't know whether he is telling the truth or not but regardless, this info is better than nothing. I do believe that it is highly likely that this info is correct.

      Anyways, here is what this person describes to me. He says that one of the new aliens is a water type alien. Max Tennyson will have a more muscular build on his torso. My most major issue with just the redesign of Ben himself is that he looks like a five year old even though he is actually ten years old. Well, the way my source describes Gwen, the same applies for her in which apparently she will also look like she's five even though she is actually ten. Here is the biggest problem that I have and that is with the redesigns of some of the aliens, if not all of them. First off, if this info is right, Stinkfly and Wildvine are confirmed to be in the reboot. Second, my source states that Stinkfly and Wildvine have been redesigned to look more human. This might go for the some of the other aliens that Ben has if not all of them.

      Apparently, my source makes a comparison of the Ben 10 Reboot artwork to Pokemon in regards to it's simplistic look or something. My source is a 14-year-old kid. He says that he got the reboot artwork through a family friend who received the artwork at an audition tryout for one of the new aliens for the reboot.

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    • i just want rath in the new series

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    • JoeyTheHedgehogr wrote:

      Ben10fan3 wrote:
      Man of Action returns as the executive producers of the show. So this show has potential.

      Also the Aliens from the previous series

      The old writer has return? The CN should let him do his thing let him do whatever he want. Or the original writer of the ben 10 and his workers should have go to a different company or TV company to start the new show...i wonder if they keep rook,it's funny when he say to ben ”You triggered a boo boo trap“ when they are helping kai to find the sky temple,lol

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    • I hope Kevin becomes an ally quickly, he was so fun to watch on Ben's team.

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    • Stryzzar wrote:
      I hope Kevin becomes an ally quickly, he was so fun to watch on Ben's team.


      I agree! Although, if he starts off as a villain, they should make his transition more gradual.

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    • I say please cancel rhe reboot show or put this reboot show in a different universe,I prefer the old ones rather than the new ones

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    • Midhat.ali.79

      Man of Action is not just one writer. It's a group of four comic book writers and artists. I'd rather have a reboot of Alien Force. As I stated before, I'd rather have the reboot toss away the multiverse concept.

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    • In the new reboot series, I hope they make Kevin a good guy from the start. Remember how the episode from the OS, "Kevin 11" ended? I think it should be changed so Kevin does accept Ben's offer to join them. What do you think? Please respond.

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    • I'd say no. Kevin should not be a good guy. In fact, I bet that he wasn't even supposed to be a good guy. Considering the type of person that Kevin is, he's better off as a villain and staying as a villain. Kevin never worked as a good guy and he also didn't work as being Gwen's boyfriend and I can also bet that he wasn't supposed to be in a relationship with Gwen. Keep Kevin as a villain.

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    • I respect your opinion, but I disagree.

      I loved Kevin as a reformed villain with an antihero persona. Technically a hero, but doesn't do things the heroic way. He was also predominantly the comic relief while on Ben's team and very entertaining. I can understand if people have a problem with his relationship with Gwen though.

      When it was just Ben, Gwen, and Grandpa Max, something just felt missing on the team. Someone with a huge contrast in personality to the other main characters, and Kevin filled that role just fine.

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    • Well that's the thing. When you really analyze Kevin, he definitely does not fit that role. In the Original Series, Kevin grows to have a very deep grudge against Ben. This led to Kevin initially wanting to ruin Ben's hero reputation but soon after led to Kevin making repeated attempts to kill Ben. In fact, Kevin's grudge against Ben led to him even going so far as to have Kevin team up with Ben's greatest and most feared enemy, Vilgax. Plus, Kevin had eventually reached the point where he delved into becoming a psychopath, sociopath, and mentally unstable. This is not because of his powers. This is because of the abuse that he faced in his past and his encounters with Ben. Let's not forget to mention that Kevin ended up in the Null Void. Considering that the Null Void was able to have some psychological negative effect on Vilgax (read the wiki page on Vilgax), imagine what the Null Void could do to an 11-year-old Kevin. Here's another point to make. Kevin is a thug that doesn't know what he really wants other than that he wants more. I'll also add every attempt that Kevin had made to kill Ben and Gwen in the Original Series to this argument as well. More wealth, more respect, more of pretty much anything, hence in the sequels he continues to commit criminal acts even though he reformed into a good guy. Now can people change? Yes, but people can also stay the same. Considering the type of person that Kevin is and his very strong grudge on Ben, it makes absolutely no sense and is completely not understandable for Kevin to transition into a good guy and to even team up with Ben and Gwen. It also makes absolutely no sense and is completely not understandable for Gwen to be in a relationship with Kevin as well.

      Now yes, Kevin does lighten things up in the sequels but that's because the new writers that made Alien Force changed Ben and Gwen into the very individuals that they would not be and is in fact the complete opposite of them. Ben and Gwen never really grew up and never really got the chance to do so because of how Glen Murikami and Dwayne McDuffie treated them as. Ben wasn't supposed to be only mature and serious. He was supposed to be the cocky, fun-loving, ego-centric, and impulsive individual that he was in the Original Series but here's another thing about Ben in the Original Series. He was also mature and serious. In the Original Series, Ben grew up as the show progressed. He developed and improved himself into becoming a better and more responsible hero while staying his good same old self. As for Gwen, in the Original Series, she was the voice of reason (especially to Ben) while also having the willingness to fight when necessary. In the sequels, Gwen was changed into pretty much just someone who complains to Ben and Kevin for the actions that they take yet let's them walk all over her. Ben and Gwen lost what made them great characters and that's why Kevin at least had personality in the sequels.

      You said that there was a huge contrast in personality between Ben, Gwen, and Max. That's where you're wrong. Ben, Gwen, and Max were the most perfect team that this series ever got. You want comic relief and entertaining characters. In the Original Series, you got that with Ben and Gwen. There was no huge contrast in personality with those characters. Everything that you needed with Ben, Gwen, and Max was all right there with them. There's no need for Kevin to fill in any gap in character personalities because there wasn't never even a gap to begin with.

      If you like Kevin as a good guy, that's fine by me. Even if I stated in the previous paragraph that you were wrong, I still understand and respect your opinions. Still, Kevin is better off as a villain. Heck, I bet you anything that not even Man of Action would want Kevin to be a good guy either.

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    • I wouldn't mind if they made him a little bit of both. For the record, I ship Gwevin but it surely needed more development.

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    • Kevin's rivalry and contrast with Ben was good, but it didn't have to turn out like that. Ben and Kevin almost became friends in the original series, and when you boil it down they're not so different. Both kids with powers from multiple alien species, and both associated with numbers. They could have made it that Kevin wasn't so evil in the original series to begin with, and more easy to swing over to Ben's team. He was never pure evil, and simply misguided with a poor upbringing (no father, and hangs with lowlives). What if he wasn't so underprivileged and didn't have so much negative history with Ben? We this reboot, they don't have to have Kevin's repeated attempted murders on Ben's team.

      I agree, the way Kevin was made into Ben's ally was a little hasty and could've been expanded upon. They could have made him more reluctant to cooperate for longer, and slowly opened up, like Vegeta in Dragon Ball Z who remained a villain on the hero's team for ages. However I'll add, the reason Kevin reformed was because despite hanging with criminals and loving wealth above all, he still has a heart and can feel indebted to over people. He experienced heavy guilt over watching Magister Labrid die, which was partly his fault, which inspired him to stick with Ben's team and see the DNAlien arc to the end. After all that ended, he had changed enough that he enjoyed being with Ben's team. Also, while he loves stealing stuff of value and garnering cash, I don't think he enjoyed being on the run and hunted by the authorities, which may have in part contributed to him turning good.

      Umm sorry, who's to say if someone is "supposed to be only mature and serious"? What makes one personality the right one that the show must abide by? It's all down to opinion, neither personality takes precedence over the other.

      "Ben and Gwen never really grew up and never really got the chance to do so" again, what gives your statement credibility? What do you expect to happen after a 5 year time lapse? That Ben is still an arrogant, cocky twerp who likes slapping his wrist. It also gave a reason why Ben matured so quickly, Max abandoned his post and forced Ben to take up the position as leader, which was further cemented when he thought he had lost Max.

      "Gwen was changed into pretty much just someone who complains to Ben and Kevin for the actions that they take yet let's them walk all over her." I really disagree with this. OS Gwen complained far more, with every second sentence being some variant of "nice going doffus." Also OS Gwen was very inexperienced with magic, but she became much more proficient in AF/UA and was the most powerful member on the team. She actively participated in battle, and I don't think Ben's team would have made it that far without her.

      Okay yes, OS Ben and Gwen did have that same childishness that Kevin had, but they were still pretty firm heroes, Kevin is a loose cannon on the team, who doesn't abide by the rules, that was something new he introduced. That whole ruffian archetype, with shady connections. Plus, Kevin never did stuff for hero glory that OS Ben loved, or a know-it-all like Gwen. A comic relief character works better with a straight man to contrast them and get annoyed at their behavior, Grandpa Max was too patient and understanding for that. I thought Max was better as a mentor role rather than an active member of the team. I was fine with OS with childish, arrogant Ben having a sibling/cousin rivalry with Gwen, but the same pattern for tiring and I wanted a change. Them growing up in AF was really refreshing, showed a new side to them.

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    • The writers of the reboot must learn from Star Wars Rebels & DC Super Hero Girls on how to give Gwen better writing.

      Gwen must wear practical outfits in all future Ben 10 shows. I still believe it's very stupid that the character designers gave her a school uniform & high heels in the first place especially ever since I've started watching DC Super Hero Girls. And before you start arguing with me on this matter, I do not own any Ultimate Alien nor Omniverse DVDs & the only Alien Force DVD Volumes I own are from Season 3.

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    • You're right. The way that Kevin turned out didn't have to happen that way. Not even Ben wanted that for Kevin. He wanted to help Kevin but because of the type of person that Kevin is, what happened did happen. This is also what made Kevin more relatable as a villain. He had a troubled past that all led up to how he is in the present. Another point about Kevin is that he is the exact opposite of Ben. Kevin shows what Ben could have become if he, like Kevin, wanted more. Kevin wasn't evil from the start but he did become evil. Again, as I stated before, it makes absolutely no sense and is completely not understandable as to why Kevin would transition into a good guy, team up with Ben, and be Gwen's boyfriend. If it doesn't make sense and isn't understandable, it doesn't work. That's what kills Kevin and his credibility completely. He did something that he would never ever do. I mean like come on, remember the episode "Ken 10" in the Original Series. Who was the main villain in that episode? Oh yeah, it was Kevin and don't give me that excuse with future Kevin in Omniverse because that was a terrible and lazy excuse. Kevin's absorbing too much power isn't what really makes him go insane. It was Kevin himself. Man of Action intended for Kevin to stay as a villain.

      "What makes one personality the right one that the show must abide by?" Because it has to be the right personality to fit with the right character and the reasoning behind that character having that personality. Ben being just serious doesn't fit Ben. Ben doesn't even want to be that type of person. The episode "Ben 10,000" is an example of that. Ben's future self became so serious with his hero work that he even became a jerk. That's why Ben doesn't want to be too serious because he doesn't want to end up like Ben 10,000. In fact, it was stated that Ben became Ben 10,000 because of a tragic event that would happen later in his life. Heck, future Gwen brought Ben and Gwen to meet Ben 10,000 just so Ben can make Ben 10,000 his old self again, which goes to show that even though Gwen finds Ben annoying because of his ego and cockiness, she prefers that type of person out of Ben and even grew to like him for the type of person that he is. Considering the circumstances that led to Ben becoming Ben 10,000, if Ben was all serious in Alien Force and even took the Omnitrix off before the events of that show, then something tragic must have happened to him, right? Except, nothing was explained. It was never explained why Ben became all serious in Alien Force and why he took the Omnitrix off. In fact, there was a lot about the Ben 10 sequels that were never explained. If the show were to explain why Ben took the Omnitrix off and became more serious with himself, then more viewers would have been fine with how Ben turned out in Alien Force.

      What I expect to happen in a 5 year time lapse is the "why". To, again, explain what happened within that time lapse that led to the events of Alien Force. The show needs to explain what needs to be explain. Otherwise, if it doesn't make sense, is not understandable, and don't get the "why," then the credibility of the show and its elements are killed off. Because the show never revealed why Ben took the Omnitrix off and became someone that he didn't even want to become, then Ben's credibility is killed off or at the very least greatly damaged and the same went with Gwen. So yeah, Ben and Gwen never really grew up.

      Yes, Gwen complained a lot in the Original Series but the difference between her in OS and Gwen in Alien Force is that the Original Series Gwen would get on Ben's case over his behavior and straighten him out. Again, Gwen is the voice of reason. It wasn't just Max that mentored and shaped Ben into being a better hero. It was Gwen as well. And yes, Gwen was inexperienced in magic in the Original Series but she became proficient at it quite quickly. Even without her magic abilities, Gwen still actively participate in battle. As I stated before, Gwen was the voice of reason yet she was willing to fight when necessary. Even without her powers.

      Once again, Kevin is better off as a villain and was supposed to stay as a villain and Ben and Gwen are better off being their Original Series selves unless there is a sensible and understandable reason for them to change. Ben wasn't just an arrogant and cocky twerp. As I stated before, the Original Series Ben was cocky, ego-centric, fun-loving, and impulsive yet he was also mature and serious. In the Original Series, he learned to grow up, to develop, to imrpove and make himself a better person and hero. That is what defines Ben at his best and differentiates him from how he was in Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, and even Omniverse.

      There is one more thing, the only people that knows what's best for the Ben 10 series is Man of Action themselves. They have the best direction and mindset for the series. That is a major reason why MOA being replaced by new writers for the sequels led to the Ben 10 series going downhill. Everything that happened with the sequels were not actually supposed to happen. Alien Force may be the official sequel to the Original Series but it's not the true sequel. The true sequel was Hero Generation. No, Hero Generation was not the working title for Alien Force. Hero Generation was actually the pitched sequel idea that Man of Action had that would focus on Ben and Gwen training the Plumbers' Kids. Even TvTropes points this out people. Hero Generation was the sequel that we were supposed to get. Not Alien Force.

      The flaws of Kevin being a good guy out weigh the benefits.

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    • But Kevin has been a good guy in three series so far as opposed to one, and he seems to get gradually better throughout the series, so I hope he will not always be bad.

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    • True but the flaws still out weigh the benefits. Really, many fans accept Kevin as a good guy because we're used to seeing him as a good guy because he's been a good guy in the sequel shows. Here's the thing though. Kevin is not a hero. He is a thug, a crinimal, a villain and that is what he must and always will be. That is where Kevin is at his best. It is the right approach to take for him. It still makes absolutely no sense and is completely not understandable for Kevin to be a good guy. He should have never been a good guy. No "ifs," no "buts," no excuses, no anything. If anyone still prefers Kevin to be a good guy and disagrees with me, I'm fine with that. Honestly though, in my best recommendation (and you don't have to follow this recommendation), look at Kevin for who he really is. A villain and that is what he needs to be. Period. End of story.

      Here is another point to make. Just because Kevin had been a good guy in the sequel shows is not enough to justify his transition into being a good guy and his credibility of being a good guy. Again, one of the most major reasons why many fans accept Kevin as a good guy is because they are used to seeing him as a good guy.

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    • If he started off so similar to Ben, then why would it be impossible to follow in Ben's path? If a villain is relatable, the logical step for most shows is to make them an antihero, so they have a reason for staying around without having to be defeated by the villains. He's Ben's dark mirror image, and anything Ben could become he could become as well.

      I understand if you don't like the way they turned Kevin good, but I don't agree your complete opposition to him turning good at all. Villains are allowed to realize the error of their ways and turn over a new leaf. Tvtropes calls it a "heel-faced turn". And for the record, even if Kevin didn't join Ben's team in AF, then someone similar to him would've. I guess they figured it'd be easier if they made Ben's rival from the OS fill the role.

      "Which personality fitting a character" is down to opinion. Are yous saying every hero has to be a cocky, arrogant glory hound? He had that excuse when he was 10 years old, when it was just "I have this cool watch that can turn me into aliens and beat up the villains", but as he got older he learns that the world isn't so black and white, and is far more complex. Cocky Ben doesn't work with the more serious tone, as OV showed us. There are many heroes in other shows who aren't arrogant jerks who work fine, saying Ben has to have that personality and nothing else works, I just don't agree.

      Okay, I agree they could have filled in the 5 year gap and why he took off the Omnitrix. I'm just don't agree you're against to him developing at all. Omniverse did try to explain what happened using those flashbacks, but they were just confusing and annoying. The reason I brought that up Gwen's powers is because you said AF/UA Gwen didn't fight and just let the boys do all the work, well that's not true. She was just as active in battle as everyone else.

      All I got from Ben and Gwen in OS was just sibling rivalry, which I quickly tired of. I can only watch name calling and bickering for so long. Sure, Gwen tried to be the logical one, but back then it was more so she could be better than Ben, rather than being sensible because it's what was right.

      "Once again, Kevin is better off as a villain and was supposed to stay as a villain" I'm sorry, that's your opinion. Ben 10 was okay and sometimes fun to watch, but Ben 10: Alien Force was what really pulled me in and got me involved with this franchise.

      Just because you don't like it you don't have to say it's "going down hill", they just changed the targeted audience to appeal to a different crowd. The fans of the show were growing up, so they let the characters grow up as well. Unless you're saying Man of Action were not involved with the sequel, against their will, then they still allowed the new writers to sign up. Maybe they wanted something different.

      Some people can miss evil Kevin, but him becoming a hero allowed newer villains to come onto the show as well. As the most sympathetic villain on the show, he has a right to turn good and not be made a heartless killer. He has a mother whom he loves and cares for.

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    • How is Kevin dealing with child abuse and becoming a thug so similar to Ben starting off his heroing? Kevin is the opposite of Ben. He shows what Ben could have become if Ben too always wanted more.

      So what, the Joker is supposed to see the error of his ways? Lex Luthor is supposed to see the error of his ways? Trigon from Teen Titans is supposed to see the error of his ways? Megatron? Magneto? Vilgax? People can change but people can also stay the same as well. In fact, there is a saying, "the more things change, the more they stay the same." Kevin is the type of individual that would truly never change. The new writers changed Kevin into someone that he would never truly become. As I stated before, there is no gap in contrasting personality between Ben, Gwen, and Max. Those three are as perfect of a team that this series could offer. Everything that's needed is already there with Ben, Gwen, and Max. I would understand the Plumbers' Kids but Ben, Gwen, and Max don't need Kevin to fill in any sort of gap.

      Did I say that every hero needs to be a cocky, arrogant glory hound? No I did not. I said that characters need to have the right personality for them. A personality that truly defines them. That's not a factor of opinion or at the very least not a major factor. It's a factor of structuring and designing a character. As I stated before, Ben in the Original Series is cocky, ego-centric, fun-loving, impulsive, and I do agree on arrogant at times but he is also mature and serious. When compared to serious Ben (Alien Force) and cocky Ben (Omniverse), the Original Series Ben is both serious and cocky. In the Original Series, Ben learns that the world is not black and white and that it's more complex. He already learned this before Alien Force. Original Series Ben is where Ben was and still is at his best and this paragraph explains why. I already explained why in my previous comments. That is why Ben should have the personality that he had in the Original Series. His Original Series personality is what truly defined him.

      "In the Original Series, Ben grew up as the show progressed. He developed and improved himself into becoming a better and more responsible hero while staying his good same old self." Did I state that I'm against Ben developing as a character? Did I stated that I'm against one of the most important aspects of designing characters? This quote from one of my previous comments here says otherwise. Again, as I stated before, in the Original Series, Ben truly grew up. He developed and improved himself. He focused on becoming a better hero and person. As for Gwen, did I say that she didn't fight in the sequels? No I did not. I stated that in the Original Series, Gwen is the voice of reason but is willing to fight, and I will also add stand up for herself, when necessary. I also said that in the sequels, Gwen complains to Ben and Kevin over the actions (you know what, I'll also mention choices) that they make yet let's them walk all over her. I did not say that Gwen doesn't fight her enemies in the sequels because obviously she does actively fight her enemies since that we all saw her do so.

      Regardless of whether or not Gwen tries to show that she's better than Ben, she still proves to be the voice of reason and the logical one in the team.

      I said the series went down hill since Man of Action was replaced not because I don't like the sequels but because that's what actually happened. Alien Force was hit with criticisms and so were Ultimate Alien and most definitely Omniverse. Many, if not most, fans don't like and/or even hated the sequels because they lost the charm of the Original Series and the style that Man of Action incorporated. Many, if not most, fans didn't want a Ben 10 show that caterred to a more mature audience. They wanted a show that could deliver on the level that the Original Series delivered on. They want the style and quality that Man of Action gave when making the Original Series. That is where the sequels failed at. That is why many or most fans were against the sequels. That is why the Ben 10 series went down hill due to how the sequels turned out.

      Man of Action was also not involved with the sequels. They had a disagreement with Cartoon Network on Ben 10 Hero Generation which led to Cartoon Network removing Man of Action's involvement with the series and Cartoon Network replacing Man of Action with a new set of writers that didn't even truly know what they were working with. This wasn't Man of Action's decision. It was Cartoon Network's decision.

      You don't need Kevin to be a good guy to bring in newer villains. Kevin can stay as a villain while new villains can still be introduced. Again, he's supposed to be a villain. He's not supposed to be the sympathetic individual that we saw in the sequels. He's supposed to be the heartless killer that we saw in the Original Series because that is what he was structured as and intended by Man of Action.

      Man of Action created the Ben 10 series. They understand it better than anyone else. Therefore, Man of Action ave the best mindset and direction for the series. It's what Man of Action wanted to do with Ben 10 that I'm discussing here. The sequels went through so many changes in continuity, elements, style, etc. that it created a lot of problems with them. The series went the direction that Man of Action didn't want to take.

      Pay attention to the words that I type here. Stop stating certain points that you claim I make but I never did make. I would also recommend that you go back and watch the Original Series and analyze it because by they way that you try to argue with me in your comments, you missed the bigger picture of the Original Series.

      One more point that I missed in regards to Ben and Gwen's relationship in the Original Series. Yes, they did started off having a hateful relationship towards each other but what really defined their relationship in the Original Series, especially when compared to the sequels, is that as the Original Series moved forward, Ben and Gwen's relationship towards each other developed and improved. They grew to liking each other. They grew to care for each other. To have a strong bond with each other. To become very deeply important to each other. There were even moments where they enjoyed teasing each other and calling each other names and having arguments. That there were times where Ben and Gwen enjoyed poking each other's buttons just for the fun of it. Ben and Gwen's relationship in the Original Series gave the show a strong heart.

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    • I brought that up because you said this: "Kevin shows what Ben could have become if he, like Kevin, wanted more." They were two sides of the same coin, and could have ended up in each other's shoes given the right circumstances.

      I didn't say that. But with Kevin he wasn't a typical Ben villain, he was different, in the sense that he was a dark mirror. Unlike say Vilgax, I can never seem him turning since he's always been a power hungry world conqueror. Kevin was never pure evil, and only ended up that way due to the whole nature vs nurture thing. The reason they chose Kevin to side with Ben was because they are not so different, given the right motivation he won't stay evil. If you don't like how he teamed up with Ben, then fine. But I don't think Kevin would always stay a mindless psycho, they gave him a lot of depth and backstory behind why he was like that in the original series.

      No you didn't say that, but my point was, who are you to say which personality is perfect for Ben other than your own opinion? People are allowed to like mature Ben, and there is nothing wrong with that opinion. He was still fairly immature in the final season, and kept up that childish bickering with Gwen all the way to the season finale. He was only serious on occasion, when there was major trouble, most of the time he was just "what cool new alien did I get?" "who should I turn into?" I had no problem with watching that Ben, but AF Ben was a really nice change. For me the main appeal of the OS was the concept of changing into aliens itself, and not so much Ben's personality.

      Okay let me rephrase that, "I just don't agree you're against a Ben who isn't arrogant and cocky at all." I was starting to get a little annoyed by 10 year old Ben's cockiness, it's never a trait I found admirable in someone supposed to be a hero, and the sooner it's gone the better.

      So just what was wrong with AF/UA Gwen? She was also the voice of reason, just without the bratty personality.

      "Many, if not most, fans don't like and/or even hated the sequels because they lost the charm of the Original Series and the style that Man of Action incorporated." That is not true, the Ben 10 sequels have quite a large fanbase. Sure there are still plenty of hardcore original series fans who despise the sequels, I'm guessing you're one of them, but the sequels are far from universally hated.

      I should've clarified, "going down hill" is also a subjective statement, not everyone hated the change. Look at the analysis on the tvtropes YMMV page for Ben 10: Alien Force. Just because Didn't you consider there were some viewers who weren't that big on the cocky kid with an alien superweapon, and were more appealed by the serious tone. I just don't like how you treat your opinion as facts that represent the entire fanbase.

      But some villains were only made possible once Kevin became a hero, such as Darkstar. He's supposed to be the dark mirror to Kevin. I don't think they could have introduced Argit without Kevin either. I also don't think they'd be able to give Kevin so much backstory if he stayed a psycho with no explanation behind why he's a criminal.

      Whatever, I don't care if Man of Action wasn't involved in the sequels. I'm not going to say everything they write is automatically master piece, I'll judge based on what I see.

      Okay, maybe I wasn't clear enough with some of my explanations. You didn't say a lot of that stuff, but those were some of the implications I was getting. Like your assumption that everyone seems to hate the sequels, and original series Ben is superior and the one true personality for him. Also, you were the one who started the debate with me, I was just expressing a simple view.

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    • Almost forgot to respond back. Anyways, Kevin had many chances in the Original Series to have a new start in his life and he blew every single one.

      Are you absolutely sure that you watched the Original Series? Take a good look at Kevin there. You can sense pure evil coming off of him. Kevin may not be a typical villain for Ben but neither was Vilgax, Hex and Charmcaster, the Forever Knights, Zs'Skayr, etc.

      Not so different. You're saying that Kevin, who is the opposite of Ben, is not so different from Ben. May I once again mention that the main villain in the episode "Ken 10" was future Kevin. Again, Kevin was intended to be the villain and stay as the villain. Once again, because of the type of person that Kevin is, he would never ever truly be the good guy and most certainly side with Ben and Gwen. The real Ben and Gwen would never even accept Kevin due to what he did to them. Look at everything that Kevin did in the Original Series. Kevin as a villain is where he is at his best and is where he is supposed to be in.

      Again, character personality is not that much of a matter of opinion. It's mostly a matter of character design and structure. Man of Action made Ben the way he is in the Original Series becuase that is where they see him as who he truly is. Why do you think Cartoon Network tried to make Ben in Ultimate Alien and Omniverse more like his Original Series self? Some fans like the mature Ben but most fans like and prefer the Original Series Ben. That is why Cartoon Network tried to make Ben his Original Series self. The problem was that Cartoon Network and the new writers don't truly understand the type of person that Ben truly is.

      Did I say I'm against a mature Ben. Again, I stated that the Original Series Ben may have been cocky, ego-centric, impulsive, fun-loving, and sometimes arrogant but he is also mature and serious and focuses on developing and improving himself. I'm not against cocky Ben and I'm not against mature Ben. I prefer both and that is who Ben was in the Original Series. Cocky and mature and I like that about Ben because that is what defines him.

      I said that the Original Series Gwen is the voice of reason. The sequels Gwen is a complainer. The sequels Gwen is not the voice of reason or at tle very least she is little to barely the voice of reason.

      I said "many, if not most, fans" don't like the sequels. Did I refer to every single fan? No I did not. Yes, there are a lot of fans that do like Alien Force but there are even more fans that don't like Alien Force because they found it disappointing. Why do you think that in Ultimate Alien and Omniverse, Cartoon Network tried to re-incorporate the Original Series style of again? Why do you think that the new writers tried to make Ben his Original Series self again? Because despite the fan base that Alien Force gathered, most fans did not like Alien Force. They did not like the more mature tone that Alien Force tried to incorporate. Unfortunately, Cartoon Network and the new writers never truly understood what really made the Original Series so unique and great and therefore failed to replicate the Original Series style into the sequels, which kept most fans to remain disappointed towards the sequels. Man of Action are the only people thus far that truly understand Ben 10. Without Man of Action, the series went down hill. It went on a decline.

      Really, Darkstar is the dark mirror of Kevin? He's a power hungry, vampirish snob that treats women as trophies. Really, Darkstar and Kevin are more similar to each other due to their constant want for more. Darkstar is not a dark mirror to Kevin. You don't need Kevin to introduce Darkstar. In the Original Series, it was implied that Kevin experienced some child abuse through his parents kicking him out of his home. I believe he even states that himself in the episode "Kevin 11." From that point on, he was treated as a freak by others due to his powers and those are the most prominent reasons why he became a thug and a crinimal.

      It is true that not everything that Man of Action touches turns into a masterpiece but it still doesn't beat the fact that Man of Action managed to create a unique and great Ben 10 show that became a multibillion dollar, Emmy-award winning, critically acclaimed cartoon show that is also considered one of the best shows that Cartoon Network had released. That is the Original Series. Man of Action created Ben 10. They made the Original Series. They are the ones that truly understand Ben 10. Therefore, Man of Action have the best intentions for the series. Unfortunately, Man of Action never got the chance so far to make the sequel that they wanted to make because Cartoon Network replaced them. You'd be surprised by just how much of an impact the creators of a show can bring to that very show. When Craig McCracken created Powerpuff Girls, that show became an Emmy-award winning success but when he left halfway through the seasons, that special touch and charm that he gave to the show went with him and therefore, the Powerpuff Girls went on a decline and lost the reputation and fame that it gain. The same thing happened with Man of Action. When Man of Action were removed and replaced by new writers, that special touch, charm, and style that thwy were so specialized in doing to the series went with them.

      Again, you are still misunderstanding the very points that I'm making. Again, I have to correct you on the points that I make. Just because I said "many, if not most, fans" does not mean I'm referring to every single fan. You even contradicted yourself by putting in that very quote and then incorrectly implying that I'm referring to every fan when I'm actually not. Read my argument carefully and take note of everything that I say and e sure to double check that what you think I mean with my argument matches what I actually mean. And again, I'd recommend that you go and rewatch the Original Series because you are still missing the bigger picture of it. When I watched the Original Series when it first came out, I found it a great show but when I went back and rewatched the Original Series a while back, I found out that there was even more about it that I didn't even realize. There is more to the Original Series than you think and that you should watch it again so that you can find what you missed. There is more about the Original Series. You just haven't noticed it yet.

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    • I think we're straying a little too far from the actual topic.

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    • If so, then I apologize for that. This argument could reflect the Ben 10 Reboot but yeah, I would understand if people think that this argument is going off topic. I'm willing to cut the argument there and get things back on track.

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    • Okay I'm sorry as well, I also dragged the argument out. I'll stop now.

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    • I wish they cancel the reboot show....It doesn't seem right it doesn't look the same,i hope this in a different universe so some or most fans would like it an be relief that is not in the ben prime universe but in a different universe. To be honest I also don't like the multi universe too but might bit interesting and an advantage that this time this show is in a different universe and those who don't like the reboot won't be mad and unhappy cause the show takes place in a different universe. (It has to be either way) How many of you didn't like the reboot show of ben 10,Do you want it to be cancel?Please respond.

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    • By the way, I agree with Stryzzar,it actually kind of strange cause at the beginning I don't like him in the alien force I still don't like him and i have my doubts on him joining the team but the show went on i was misjudged and no longer have my doubts on him,he really did change and you know what the show won't be entertaining and awesome without him.you know him and Qwen are very good as couples. (Sorry if this comment is starting an argument) i am just explaining that's all.

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    • Stryzzar wrote: I brought that up because you said this: "Kevin shows what Ben could have become if he, like Kevin, wanted more." They were two sides of the same coin, and could have ended up in each other's shoes given the right circumstances.

      I didn't say that. But with Kevin he wasn't a typical Ben villain, he was different, in the sense that he was a dark mirror. Unlike say Vilgax, I can never seem him turning since he's always been a power hungry world conqueror. Kevin was never pure evil, and only ended up that way due to the whole nature vs nurture thing. The reason they chose Kevin to side with Ben was because they are not so different, given the right motivation he won't stay evil. If you don't like how he teamed up with Ben, then fine. But I don't think Kevin would always stay a mindless psycho, they gave him a lot of depth and backstory behind why he was like that in the original series.

      No you didn't say that, but my point was, who are you to say which personality is perfect for Ben other than your own opinion? People are allowed to like mature Ben, and there is nothing wrong with that opinion. He was still fairly immature in the final season, and kept up that childish bickering with Gwen all the way to the season finale. He was only serious on occasion, when there was major trouble, most of the time he was just "what cool new alien did I get?" "who should I turn into?" I had no problem with watching that Ben, but AF Ben was a really nice change. For me the main appeal of the OS was the concept of changing into aliens itself, and not so much Ben's personality.

      Okay let me rephrase that, "I just don't agree you're against a Ben who isn't arrogant and cocky at all." I was starting to get a little annoyed by 10 year old Ben's cockiness, it's never a trait I found admirable in someone supposed to be a hero, and the sooner it's gone the better.

      So just what was wrong with AF/UA Gwen? She was also the voice of reason, just without the bratty personality.

      "Many, if not most, fans don't like and/or even hated the sequels because they lost the charm of the Original Series and the style that Man of Action incorporated." That is not true, the Ben 10 sequels have quite a large fanbase. Sure there are still plenty of hardcore original series fans who despise the sequels, I'm guessing you're one of them, but the sequels are far from universally hated.

      I should've clarified, "going down hill" is also a subjective statement, not everyone hated the change. Look at the analysis on the tvtropes YMMV page for Ben 10: Alien Force. Just because Didn't you consider there were some viewers who weren't that big on the cocky kid with an alien superweapon, and were more appealed by the serious tone. I just don't like how you treat your opinion as facts that represent the entire fanbase.

      But some villains were only made possible once Kevin became a hero, such as Darkstar. He's supposed to be the dark mirror to Kevin. I don't think they could have introduced Argit without Kevin either. I also don't think they'd be able to give Kevin so much backstory if he stayed a psycho with no explanation behind why he's a criminal.

      Whatever, I don't care if Man of Action wasn't involved in the sequels. I'm not going to say everything they write is automatically master piece, I'll judge based on what I see.

      Okay, maybe I wasn't clear enough with some of my explanations. You didn't say a lot of that stuff, but those were some of the implications I was getting. Like your assumption that everyone seems to hate the sequels, and original series Ben is superior and the one true personality for him. Also, you were the one who started the debate with me, I was just expressing a simple view.

      I totally agree with you, if fact I personally think that apart from the romances UAF improved on the original series.

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    • Thanks guys, appreciate it.

      @Great Ochoa, I'll very briefly explain those questions you asked me.

      "Not so different" is an expression. It means two characters who are initially enemies and considered opposites, actually end up sharing similiraties. In Ben and Kevin's case they're both kidswho can acquire powers of other alien species.

      From my understanding of voice of reason, AF Gwen still counts. She's the mature, sensible, compassionate one who keeps reminding the boys not to be too reckless or go too far.

      "I said "many, if not most, fans" don't like the sequels." No you didn't say all, but you made it sound like the majority. From my knowledge AF has a 50/50 split across the fanbase.

      And about Darkstar. Both he and Kevin have powers that involve absorption and stealing from other beings. Also Kevin looks bad and mean on the outside, but turns out to be a hero. While Darkstar was initially believed to be heroic, but he was a wolf in sheep's clothing and a villain. It also helps that the two of them arch-enemies with a personal grudge against each other.

      I hope that clarified things, I won't argue any further.

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    • I won't argue even further either. I'd still say that Kevin is better off as a villain and I honestly believe that is what Man of Action intended with Kevin as well but I'm fine with your opinion too. I will clarify one thing. AF may have had a 50/50 split but as each sequel was released, the fan base became divided even further. It might have been a 50/50 split with AF but not anymore due to Ultimate Alien and Omniverse. Let's stop there. No more arguing for the purpose of staying on track with this discussion page.

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    • There's another thing that I want to mention. It's more information on the new alien that I mentioned earlier. My source decided to reveal more about the alien starting with the name. The name of the new water-type alien is called Overflow.

      My source states that Overflow is an alien that apparently wears a red robotic suit. His abilities involve being able to shoot out water but also have the ability to control water. Overflow can also freeze water into a strong exoskeleton for armor, which confuses me considering that Overflow has a robotic suit. Apparently my source also said that Overflow can control two-thirds of Earth due to all the water that it obviously has. I say he was overexaggerating that last part.

      To me, Overflow sounds more like a re-skin of Water Hazard but more powerful. Useful? Yes. Creative? Heck no. Not only that but why even have a robotic suit if Overflow can freeze water into ice and use it as a strong exoskeleton for armor?

      The bigger problem that I have is that the Omnitrix is apparently capable of making a robotic suit for Overflow to use. Something that the Omnitrix shouldn't even be able to do in the first place. It's a DNA storage unit that is capable of transforming Ben into his alien forms as well as be able to scan and collect DNA from other species. That's really supposed to be it. Yes I bet that people are going to point out certain aliens such as Astrodactyl, NRG, and Goop but the thing is that those are misunderstandings and misrepresentations of the Omnitrix made from the Ben 10 sequel writers. Basically, it's like saying how the Omnitrix can create a bowl of water for Ripjaws to swim in when that's not actually the case. That's just my opinion on all of this.

      Anyways, my source says that he will release an image of the Ben 10 Reboot artwork soon. I'll provide an update when that happens.

      Update: My source also says that Overflow is completely made out of water and needs the robotic suit to maintain his shape and prevent Overflow from becoming a simple puddle of water. Sounds a lot like Goop as well. I don't exactly know how he knows this just by looking at a picture but apparently that's why Overflow has the suit. Still doesn't excuse the misunderstanding and misrepresenting of the Omnitrix's actual functions on this.

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    • This reboot is getting wierder, but somewhat interesting.

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    • I do like the abilities that Overflow has but it's the robotic suit that I have a problem with. Again, Cartoon Network apparently still doesn't understand how things really work in the Ben 10 world. Honestly, I am willing to give this reboot a chance but I just don't have faith in. Cartoon Network is making a reboot of a multibillion dollar, Emmy award-winning, critically acclaimed cartoon show that was, and likely still is, also one of Cartoon Network's best shows out there. Plus, the direction that Cartoon Network wants to take is not good. The real reason why Cartoon Network really wants to make this reboot is just so they can cash in on the Ben 10 name and toy line again. To exploit this series even further. To me, this reboot is just looking very bad.

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    • Great Ochoa wrote:
      There's another thing that I want to mention. It's more information on the new alien that I mentioned earlier. My source decided to reveal more about the alien starting with the name. The name of the new water-type alien is called Overflow.

      My source states that Overflow is an alien that apparently wears a red robotic suit. His abilities involve being able to shoot out water but also have the ability to control water. Overflow can also freeze water into a strong exoskeleton for armor, which confuses me considering that Overflow has a robotic suit. Apparently my source also said that Overflow can control two-thirds of Earth due to all the water that it obviously has. I say he was overexaggerating that last part.

      To me, Overflow sounds more like a re-skin of Water Hazard but more powerful. Useful? Yes. Creative? Heck no. Not only that but why even have a robotic suit if Overflow can freeze water into ice and use it as a strong exoskeleton for armor?

      The bigger problem that I have is that the Omnitrix is apparently capable of making a robotic suit for Overflow to use. Something that the Omnitrix shouldn't even be able to do in the first place. It's a DNA storage unit that is capable of transforming Ben into his alien forms as well as be able to scan and collect DNA from other species. That's really supposed to be it. Yes I bet that people are going to point out certain aliens such as Astrodactyl, NRG, and Goop but the thing is that those are misunderstandings and misrepresentations of the Omnitrix made from the Ben 10 sequel writers. Basically, it's like saying how the Omnitrix can create a bowl of water for Ripjaws to swim in when that's not actually the case. That's just my opinion on all of this.

      Anyways, my source says that he will release an image of the Ben 10 Reboot artwork soon. I'll provide an update when that happens.

      Update: My source also says that Overflow is completely made out of water and needs the robotic suit to maintain his shape and prevent Overflow from becoming a simple puddle of water. Sounds a lot like Goop as well. I don't exactly know how he knows this just by looking at a picture but apparently that's why Overflow has the suit. Still doesn't excuse the misunderstanding and misrepresenting of the Omnitrix's actual functions on this.


      There is also a fan alien called Overflow, who was made back in 2007/8 by kjmarch on Deviantart. So I don't really trust this source.

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    • Yeah, I'm aware of the fan alien. Got me suspicious too. After all, I did state in one of my earlier comments to take my source's info with a grain of salt until I get a full confirmation as to whether it's true or not. I'll see for myself once my source starts releasing images of the reboot artwork.

      Here's another thing, if the Overflow that my source describes really is official, then Cartoon Network could possibly be opening themselves up to a lawsuit. That red robotic suit is likely not going to be enough to warrant off this.

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    • Great Ochoa wrote: I won't argue even further either. I'd still say that Kevin is better off as a villain and I honestly believe that is what Man of Action intended with Kevin as well but I'm fine with your opinion too. I will clarify one thing. AF may have had a 50/50 split but as each sequel was released, the fan base became divided even further. It might have been a 50/50 split with AF but not anymore due to Ultimate Alien and Omniverse. Let's stop there. No more arguing for the purpose of staying on track with this discussion page.

      I hope Kevin becomes a good guy sooner in this version.

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    • I think that the Ben 10-reboot should have Ben 23 and Mad Ben from Ben 10 omniverse as well as Albedo and other dimensional counterpart versions of Ben and also Ben 10,000. The Ben 10 reboot series should continue from the last episode of Ben 10 omniverse.

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    • Rhys472 wrote: I think that the Ben 10-reboot should have Ben 23 and Mad Ben from Ben 10 omniverse as well as Albedo and other dimensional counterpart versions of Ben and also Ben 10,000. The Ben 10 reboot series should continue from the last episode of Ben 10 omniverse.

      You do know what a reboot is, right? They're restarting the whole franchise. All the continuity made in the first four series won't matter in the reboot.

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    • That's dumb how they have to make a reboot of the whole 'ben 10' series because I thought they were going to continue from the last episode of ben 10 omniverse. But can you answer this question:  Why are the people of the Ben 10 series have to make the reboot?

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    • To appeal to new viewers.

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    • okay

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    • If the reboot were to recognize the series from the Original series to Omniverse. The reboot it will have to take place in a alternate universe as part of a multiverse.

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    • ^ Agreed, I think that would be a good idea which means that if the reboot took place in a alternate universe that would mean that they won't be starting the whole series again :D because I do not want to see the whole series start all over again with the same characters, villains, etc.

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    • Actually, Cartoon Network is making a reboot more for the purpose of just cashing in on the series and toy line again.

      In my opinion though, I'd rather have a reboot of the Ben 10 sequels. Have the series go down the path that Man of Action intended for Ben 10 before Cartoon Network removed MOA from being involved with the series and replacing them with new writers. I understand that there is a fan base for the sequels but there are just so so so many flaws that the sequels are just badly flooded with. While the Original Series wasn't perfect and did have some few and minor flaws and mistakes, it did everything right. A reboot that ignores the events of Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, and Omniverse and that acts as a sequel to the Original Series with Man of Action's mindset and intention is just the much better route to take for the Ben 10 series.

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    • New Ben 10,000 like a mix of all Ben 10,000s>

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    • Honestly i just cant wait to see what this reboot is like i have faith that MOA will do right by ben 10 and do ben 10 their way. And i really hope we get a ben 10,000 episode im curious as to what this version of ben grown up is like. I wonder when they will release the first footage of the show they have to have done a couple episodes by now its been a couple months.

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    • I don't know really, the animation style for the reboot kinda looks alittle awkward to me, I feel like now they're jumping to different animation styles soon if they ever add a 6th franchise of Ben 10 they're gonna do another animation style.

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    • Great Ochoa wrote: Actually, Cartoon Network is making a reboot more for the purpose of just cashing in on the series and toy line again.

      In my opinion though, I'd rather have a reboot of the Ben 10 sequels. Have the series go down the path that Man of Action intended for Ben 10 before Cartoon Network removed MOA from being involved with the series and replacing them with new writers. I understand that there is a fan base for the sequels but there are just so so so many flaws that the sequels are just badly flooded with. While the Original Series wasn't perfect and did have some few and minor flaws and mistakes, it did everything right. A reboot that ignores the events of Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, and Omniverse and that acts as a sequel to the Original Series with Man of Action's mindset and intention is just the much better route to take for the Ben 10 series.

      I personally think Alien Force is better than the original series, the only one I don't like at all is Omniverse.

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    • To Lady Satsuki:

      If that's what you think, that's fine with me. Me, I used to like Alien Force when I was young. However, when I got older and gained a much better understanding of writing, structuring, and designing works of media, my views greatly changed. A while back I went and watched every Ben 10 show and I just hated watching the sequels. Yeah, there were some good moments but there was just so much that was wrong with Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, and Omniverse. So much that just didn't make sense and/or was just not understandable. So many flaws. So many poor decisions made. So much was just done in such a lazy and poorly made way. The sequels were at the very least decent but just so badly made. I went and watched the Original Series and it was just awesome. I had a blast. It wasn't a perfect show but Man of Action did everything right with the Original Series. I went and watched Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, and Omniverse and as a Ben 10 fan, I felt betrayed or something. Cartoon Network just did so much that was wrong for the Ben 10 series and even though Man of Action is back working on Ben 10, I can't trust Cartoon Network with making this reboot and one of the major reasons why is because of how they treated the Ben 10 series through the sequel shows. In my opinion, the Ben 10 sequels were just terrible and that includes Alien Force.

      Heck, I even read a Ben 10 fan fiction series that did so much better at being a sequel to the Original Series than what Cartoon Network made.

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    • So what's wrong with the first two sequels exactly?

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    • Where should I even start?

      Well, I explained a lot about Kevin earlier on this page when I had an argument with another individual. To me, not only was Kevin's transition from villain to hero and Kevin being Gwen's boyfriend was just so poorly done and so badly forced and rushed but Kevin just never worked as a hero character. Yeah, he had some good aspects about him but it just doesn't work considering the type of character that Kevin is and his past encounters with Ben and Gwen. It doesn't make sense at all and is not understandable as to why this even happened. I just didn't like Kevin as a hero.

      Theres also all the stupid freakin changes in the continuity that Cartoon Network did such as making the Plumbers an intergalactic law enforcement agency when the Original Series pointed out that really the Plumbers were actually a secret Earth organization specialized in fighting extraterrestrial threats and were all humans.

      Let's get to the Omnitrix next. When the Omnitrix recalibrated, for some reason, it changed its physical appearance. What purpose does that bring? How is the Omnitrix even capable of doing that and why does it do that? It doesn't make sense and it's not what Azmuth built the Omnitrix for. I can understand the recalibration maybe but one thing that I know for sure is that Azmuth would not design the Omnitrix to have a feature that brought no purpose whatsoever. There are also other aspects of the Omnitrix in the sequels that contradict its true design and purpose. Azmuth made the Omnitrix for the purpose of allowing better communication between all the species in the universe and unite them together peacefully. Therefore, why does the Omnitrix have some sort of DNA repair function that Ben could use to fix the DNAliens and turn them back into humans? How about Primus? Azmuth made a planet that acts as the actual location for where all the Omnitrix's DNA samples are stored at? The Omnitrix is actually a wireless network receiver connected to Primus somehow and not a storage unit? How does the Omnitrix even work at all if Ben goes into other dimensions? It doesn't make sense. I'm glad that they decided to remove Primus from continuity in Omniverse. It was outright stupid and again contradicts Azmuth's true purpose of making the Omnitrix. The same goes with the Ultimatrix and Primus.

      Let's get to the characters here. There was one point in Alien Force where Max supposedly died when he overloaded his Null Void Projector to destroy a Highbreed facility. How does Ben react to this? He gives out a cliche "NOOOOOO" and then afterwards, he and Gwen just go on their merry way. Not one shed of a tear. Not one mere second of mourning for their loss. In the Original Series, when Ben encounters Rojo for the first time, Max gets injured and when that happened, Ben broke. He felt guilty for what happened. It was there that he realized that having the Omnitrix means that those that are important to him are in danger. Ben was even willing to run away in order to protect Gwen and Max, his family. In "Secret of the Omnitrix," when Gwen is dragged away by a wild Florauna (Wildvine), Ben was willing to risk accelerating the self destruct mode on the Omnitrix in order to try and save her and when he failed and thought that Gwen died, Ben broke down. It hurt him so so so bad. When Ben later found out that Gwen was actually alive, he cried in joy and happiness and even ran across an entire battlefield just so he could hug her and reunite with her. In Alien Force, when Max supposedly died, we get Ben screaming "No" and that was it and that's how it was throughout the sequels. For the most part, there were a lot of badly made attempts of displaying emotion.

      How about the DNAliens? We eventually find out that the DNAliens were actually innocent human people that were under the control of Xenocytes. However, Ben, Gwen, and Kevin show little reaction to this and even went around and killed a bunch of DNAliens. Even after this discovery. Anyone would probably counter argue that by saying that there was no other option but they're wrong. Again, the Omnitrix had some magical DNA repair function that could turn a DNAlien back into a human. Not only that but Cooper saw that very function in use once during the final battle against the Highbreed and he was able to make DNA guns out of his very mech suit in mere seconds. Why didn't Cooper do that earlier knowing how intelligent he is? Despite having other options to take down the DNAliens in a non-lethal or less lethal matter, Ben, Gwen, and Kevin continued to make actions that resulted in the deaths of the DNAliens who are again innocent human people.Yeah, great job displaying our main characters as heroes, Cartoon Network. Same goes for Dwayne McDuffie and Glen Murikami as well.

      How about Ben's aliens in the sequels? Most were way too powerful. Swampfire could regenerate from basically any injury so he's nearly unstoppable. Big Chill could go intangible so considering all his other powers, he made Ghostfreak useless. Echo Echo completely made Ditto and Benwolf completely useless since that Echo Echo could just clone himself indefinitely and doesn't have to worry about that very same link that Ditto has. I mean like for crying out loud, Ben has Alien X, who is literally unstoppable and is literally the most powerful alien in the entire universe. Once Ben gets pass Serena and Bellicus, nothing could stop him. Nothing. All he has to do is blink and his enemies are done for. This broke the tension in the series. In the Original Series, every villain was able to properly and tuly challenge Ben. Even Dr. Animo. Now with these new aliens, even Vilgax is progressively becoming less capable of being able to challenge Ben. All of Ben's enemies are becoming less and less capable of truly challenging Ben. It's even worse when Ben got the Ultimatrix and used his aliens' Ultimate Forms.

      Some aliens are even pointless to put into the show. Why put in Echo Echo if Ben already has Ditto and Benwolf? Why put in Eatle when that alien is just a direct copy of Upchuck? Fasttrack is the worse. He is a blatant and pointless copy of XLR8 and doesn't even look like an alien at all. Fasttrack looks exactly like a superhero. I don't even believe that Fasttrack is even stronger than XLR8. I mean like apparently Fasttrack being able to carry Hulka and Tack proves that he's stronger than XLR8, as stated by Matt Wayne? There were moments in the Original Series where XLR8 was able to carry multiple individuals at once. He one time was able to pull three people (two adults and one kid) out of a lake and get them to shore before the Krakken was able to get them. That same episode, XLR8 was able to grab one of the Krakken's tendrils (or what ever those things on it's mouth was) and mamaged to pull it's grasp off of the cannery box (which actually had its egg in). There was even another moment where XLR8 was able to carry both Gwen and Max, who is a pretty big guy to carry. I'd say that Matt Wayne is full of BS and that Fasttrack is actually not stronger than XLR8 and that the two aliens are equally strong. Maybe XLR8 is actually stronger than Fasttrack and considering that XLR8 could control his speed better than Fasttrack, Fasttrack is completely useless and pointless to have in the show. Cartoon Network should've brought back XLR8 in Ultimate Alien instead of making Fasttrack.

      One of my biggest problems with Ultimate Alien was that it pretty much lost its interest after the first season. To me, they just ended up dragging on the conflict with the Diagon and the Forever Knights for the rest of the show. I got bored really quickly.

      I'll stop here for now. If I keep continuing onwards, I'm going to end up making a book of all these problems with the sequels. If anyone wants to hear more, feel free to ask but this is where I'm going to stop for now.

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      Where should I even start?

      Well, I explained a lot about Kevin earlier on this page when I had an argument with another individual. To me, not only was Kevin's transition from villain to hero and Kevin being Gwen's boyfriend was just so poorly done and so badly forced and rushed but Kevin just never worked as a hero character. Yeah, he had some good aspects about him but it just doesn't work considering the type of character that Kevin is and his past encounters with Ben and Gwen. It doesn't make sense at all and is not understandable as to why this even happened. I just didn't like Kevin as a hero.

      Theres also all the stupid freakin changes in the continuity that Cartoon Network did such as making the Plumbers an intergalactic law enforcement agency when the Original Series pointed out that really the Plumbers were actually a secret Earth organization specialized in fighting extraterrestrial threats and were all humans.

      Let's get to the Omnitrix next. When the Omnitrix recalibrated, for some reason, it changed its physical appearance. What purpose does that bring? How is the Omnitrix even capable of doing that and why does it do that? It doesn't make sense and it's not what Azmuth built the Omnitrix for. I can understand the recalibration maybe but one thing that I know for sure is that Azmuth would not design the Omnitrix to have a feature that brought no purpose whatsoever. There are also other aspects of the Omnitrix in the sequels that contradict its true design and purpose. Azmuth made the Omnitrix for the purpose of allowing better communication between all the species in the universe and unite them together peacefully. Therefore, why does the Omnitrix have some sort of DNA repair function that Ben could use to fix the DNAliens and turn them back into humans? How about Primus? Azmuth made a planet that acts as the actual location for where all the Omnitrix's DNA samples are stored at? The Omnitrix is actually a wireless network receiver connected to Primus somehow and not a storage unit? How does the Omnitrix even work at all if Ben goes into other dimensions? It doesn't make sense. I'm glad that they decided to remove Primus from continuity in Omniverse. It was outright stupid and again contradicts Azmuth's true purpose of making the Omnitrix. The same goes with the Ultimatrix and Primus.

      Let's get to the characters here. There was one point in Alien Force where Max supposedly died when he overloaded his Null Void Projector to destroy a Highbreed facility. How does Ben react to this? He gives out a cliche "NOOOOOO" and then afterwards, he and Gwen just go on their merry way. Not one shed of a tear. Not one mere second of mourning for their loss. In the Original Series, when Ben encounters Rojo for the first time, Max gets injured and when that happened, Ben broke. He felt guilty for what happened. It was there that he realized that having the Omnitrix means that those that are important to him are in danger. Ben was even willing to run away in order to protect Gwen and Max, his family. In "Secret of the Omnitrix," when Gwen is dragged away by a wild Florauna (Wildvine), Ben was willing to risk accelerating the self destruct mode on the Omnitrix in order to try and save her and when he failed and thought that Gwen died, Ben broke down. It hurt him so so so bad. When Ben later found out that Gwen was actually alive, he cried in joy and happiness and even ran across an entire battlefield just so he could hug her and reunite with her. In Alien Force, when Max supposedly died, we get Ben screaming "No" and that was it and that's how it was throughout the sequels. For the most part, there were a lot of badly made attempts of displaying emotion.

      How about the DNAliens? We eventually find out that the DNAliens were actually innocent human people that were under the control of Xenocytes. However, Ben, Gwen, and Kevin show little reaction to this and even went around and killed a bunch of DNAliens. Even after this discovery. Anyone would probably counter argue that by saying that there was no other option but they're wrong. Again, the Omnitrix had some magical DNA repair function that could turn a DNAlien back into a human. Not only that but Cooper saw that very function in use once during the final battle against the Highbreed and he was able to make DNA guns out of his very mech suit in mere seconds. Why didn't Cooper do that earlier knowing how intelligent he is? Despite having other options to take down the DNAliens in a non-lethal or less lethal matter, Ben, Gwen, and Kevin continued to make actions that resulted in the deaths of the DNAliens who are again innocent human people.Yeah, great job displaying our main characters as heroes, Cartoon Network. Same goes for Dwayne McDuffie and Glen Murikami as well.

      How about Ben's aliens in the sequels? Most were way too powerful. Swampfire could regenerate from basically any injury so he's nearly unstoppable. Big Chill could go intangible so considering all his other powers, he made Ghostfreak useless. Echo Echo completely made Ditto and Benwolf completely useless since that Echo Echo could just clone himself indefinitely and doesn't have to worry about that very same link that Ditto has. I mean like for crying out loud, Ben has Alien X, who is literally unstoppable and is literally the most powerful alien in the entire universe. Once Ben gets pass Serena and Bellicus, nothing could stop him. Nothing. All he has to do is blink and his enemies are done for. This broke the tension in the series. In the Original Series, every villain was able to properly and tuly challenge Ben. Even Dr. Animo. Now with these new aliens, even Vilgax is progressively becoming less capable of being able to challenge Ben. All of Ben's enemies are becoming less and less capable of truly challenging Ben. It's even worse when Ben got the Ultimatrix and used his aliens' Ultimate Forms.

      Some aliens are even pointless to put into the show. Why put in Echo Echo if Ben already has Ditto and Benwolf? Why put in Eatle when that alien is just a direct copy of Upchuck? Fasttrack is the worse. He is a blatant and pointless copy of XLR8 and doesn't even look like an alien at all. Fasttrack looks exactly like a superhero. I don't even believe that Fasttrack is even stronger than XLR8. I mean like apparently Fasttrack being able to carry Hulka and Tack proves that he's stronger than XLR8, as stated by Matt Wayne? There were moments in the Original Series where XLR8 was able to carry multiple individuals at once. He one time was able to pull three people (two adults and one kid) out of a lake and get them to shore before the Krakken was able to get them. That same episode, XLR8 was able to grab one of the Krakken's tendrils (or what ever those things on it's mouth was) and mamaged to pull it's grasp off of the cannery box (which actually had its egg in). There was even another moment where XLR8 was able to carry both Gwen and Max, who is a pretty big guy to carry. I'd say that Matt Wayne is full of BS and that Fasttrack is actually not stronger than XLR8 and that the two aliens are equally strong. Maybe XLR8 is actually stronger than Fasttrack and considering that XLR8 could control his speed better than Fasttrack, Fasttrack is completely useless and pointless to have in the show. Cartoon Network should've brought back XLR8 in Ultimate Alien instead of making Fasttrack.

      One of my biggest problems with Ultimate Alien was that it pretty much lost its interest after the first season. To me, they just ended up dragging on the conflict with the Diagon and the Forever Knights for the rest of the show. I got bored really quickly.

      I'll stop here for now. If I keep continuing onwards, I'm going to end up making a book of all these problems with the sequels. If anyone wants to hear more, feel free to ask but this is where I'm going to stop for now.

      Geez, you didn't have to type up a whole paragraph or two of complaints, just saying.

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    • Well, Lady Satsuki did ask what I thought was wrong with Alien Force and Ultimate Alien. Didn't specify how long my response should be. Like I said before, too, there's still more that's wrong with the sequels.

      This is part of another point that I'm trying to make as well. Cartoon Network removed Man of Action from the Ben 10 series and went on to make three poorly made sequels. Along with Cartoon Network's recent history as well, how am I supposed to trust them to make a Ben 10 reboot? How should anyone be able to trust Cartoon Network to make a reboot? To me, even though Man of Action are back as the Executive Producers, it feels more like they're just sitting on the side lines or something while Cartoon Network end up being the actual people that are calling the shots on this reboot. Considering how Cartoon Network treated the Ben 10 series, I'd say that the reboot is more likely to fail. Or at the very least not deliver in quality. That this reboot is more likely to cause more harm and damage to the series than good. It's examples like what I mentioned just earlier that shows that Cartoon Network needs to go back to the drawing board and take a different direction for the reboot as well as give Man of Action full actual control of the Ben 10 series. To just let Man of Action make the Ben 10 show that they really truly want to make.

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    • Can we at least have Way Big, Ghostfreak, Cannonbolt, Murk and Perk Upchuck, and Diamondhead.

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    • We might as well get Ghostfreak if they want to focus on Zs'Skayr again.

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      We might as well get Ghostfreak if they want to focus on Zs'Skayr again.

      They need to do the Zs'skayr arc again if they are gonna bring any os arc back thats the one they need to do save vilgax for the next series if there is one

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    • Save Vilgax for the next series? Vilgax has to be in this reboot. He needs to be in this reboot because he's very important for the story. In fact, that's another problem that I have about the reboot. Cartoon Network and Man of Action have to explain everything all over again. Ben getting the Omnitrix, Vilgax, Hex and Charmcaster, Max and the Plumbers, Kevin, Gwen learning magic again, Ghostfreak, Tetrax, AZMUTH, etc. They have to explain everything all over again so there's already a lot of viewers that are going to know what they will expect. Even the newcomers that Cartoon Network wants to attract. Anyone can even easily look up the Original Series and watch every episode. It's just so unnecessary to make a reboot of the Original Series because we already expect and know at least most of what's going to be in the show. Heck, if Cartoon Network wants to introduce the Ben 10 series to the "new generation of kids," they don't need to make a freakin reboot to do that. Cartoon Network could very much easily just do a marathon of the Ben 10 Original Series and get the results that they want and I bet that it cost even less than just making a brand new show. The Original Series already caters to the "new generation of kids" as well so there's no excuse that they need to make a show that caters to their newer audience.

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    • Great Ochoa wrote:
      Save Vilgax for the next series? Vilgax has to be in this reboot. He needs to be in this reboot because he's very important for the story. In fact, that's another problem that I have about the reboot. Cartoon Network and Man of Action have to explain everything all over again. Ben getting the Omnitrix, Vilgax, Hex and Charmcaster, Max and the Plumbers, Kevin, Gwen learning magic again, Ghostfreak, Tetrax, AZMUTH, etc. They have to explain everything all over again so there's already a lot of viewers that are going to know what they will expect. Even the newcomers that Cartoon Network wants to attract. Anyone can even easily look up the Original Series and watch every episode. It's just so unnecessary to make a reboot of the Original Series because we already expect and know at least most of what's going to be in the show. Heck, if Cartoon Network wants to introduce the Ben 10 series to the "new generation of kids," they don't need to make a freakin reboot to do that. Cartoon Network could very much easily just do a marathon of the Ben 10 Original Series and get the results that they want and I bet that it cost even less than just making a brand new show. The Original Series already caters to the "new generation of kids" as well so there's no excuse that they need to make a show that caters to their newer audience.

      Um i see where your coming from but remember this is another universe so things are not exactly going to be the same there will be different aliens different stories and different villians. And i do want to see vilgax in the new series i just meant we dont have to see him right away i want him to be hiding in the shadows until later in the series he reveals himself and starts to take action and there could be little hints of him in the universe i just want vilgax to seem like a threat again.  Im happy they are doing a reboot it means a clean slate and its nice to see another take on the ben 10 origin since as of right now we only have the one orgin they are really tryining to flesh out bens character and making another version is the best way of doing that. Also its nice to see an alternate universe ben 10 since we had ben 23 and all the evil bens but we never really had an alternate universe of the actual ben 10 so this could be good.

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    • I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Considering how Cartoon Network had treated the Ben 10 series, I don't see this reboot to be of any good or at the very least just being unable to deliver; especially on the level as the Original Series. I say rebooting the Ben 10 Original Series is a bad idea and direction to take. A much better direction for the series would be to reboot the Ben 10 sequels. For Cartoon Network to give Man of Action a chance to make the Ben 10 sequel that they truly wanted to make and intended for the series to go.

      Yes, there are going to be differences with this reboot but for the most part, it's going to be mostly the same as the Original Series. The same story, the same setting, the same characters, etc.

      The way that you described Vilgax is exactly how he was treated in the Original Series. You want Cartoon Network to portray Vilgax as a serious threat again, then they have to make him exactly or mostly how he was in the Original Series because that is where Vilgax was at his best.

      What do you mean by the reboot being an alternate universe? The Multiverse concept in Omniverse? If so, this is a reboot. They're starting everything all over again. That means that there is no Ben 23. There is no evil Bens. There is no Ben Prime here. Every event from the Main Series doesn't apply for this reboot unless they implement it into the reboot. Just because Omniverse did the whole Multiverse concept doesn't mean it's going to affect the reboot unless Cartoon Network and/or Man of Action state otherwise. For the reboot, there currently is no alternate universe. At least that's my take on this.

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    • i didnt say it would affect the reboot im just saying most people will view this universe as a alternate universe to the prime ben. What are they going to do reboot the whole multiverse no this isn't the new 52. But see it as you want although it may never be stated i still see it in the same (dare i say it) omniverse as the original.

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    • Well, I still don't have much faith in this reboot, if not none at all, and based on as many responses to the reboot that I found, neither do most of the Ben 10 fan base. Even TvTropes points out that only some, not most, of the fan base are excited for the reboot mostly because they believed the series was at it's best when Ben was at age 10. Well, it wasn't because of that though. As for the rest of the fan base, they're very negative towards the reboot, already calling out Cartoon Network's BS and pointing out that this reboot is just another cash cow while also criticising the artwork, and I agree with those fans. Most people are not happy about this reboot.

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    • I now have a new reason why Ben 10 must spawn a Lucky Girl spin-off series. I've watched the Adventure Time miniseries "Stakes" which had a female protagonist.

      Adventure Time beaten Ben 10 first in making a series with a female protagonist. Big Epic Fail!  

      Ever since I've watched Stakes, I now refuse to watch the Ben 10 Reboot unless Lucky Girl makes a lot of appearances. Otherwise I'm only going to stick with watching We Bare Bears, Powerpuff Girls & whatever miniseries Cartoon Network produces next.

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    • Btgr wrote:
      I now have a new reason why Ben 10 must spawn a Lucky Girl spin-off series. I've watched the Adventure Time miniseries "Stakes" which had a female protagonist.

      Adventure Time beaten Ben 10 first in making a series with a female protagonist. Big Epic Fail!  

      Ever since I've watched Stakes, I now refuse to watch the Ben 10 Reboot unless Lucky Girl makes a lot of appearances. Otherwise I'm only going to stick with watching We Bare Bears, Powerpuff Girls & whatever miniseries Cartoon Network produces next.

      So your not gonna watch the show because the protagonist is not a girl? 


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    • The Omnitriforcer wrote: So your not gonna watch the show because the protagonist is not a girl? 

      I will not watch the reboot because I really fear that the Ben 10 franchise will ignore Lucky Girl again and if they do, they are really wasting my time.



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    • To be fair, Lucky Girl wasn't really fleshed out enough for the writers to care.

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    • UltiVerse wrote:
      To be fair, Lucky Girl wasn't really fleshed out enough for the writers to care.

      No more Ben 10 for me then.


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    • UltiVerse wrote:
      To be fair, Lucky Girl wasn't really fleshed out enough for the writers to care.


      Cartoon Network Asia had a plan for a lucky girl series but had been put on hold according to Duncan Rouleau.

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    • Btgr wrote:
      UltiVerse wrote:
      To be fair, Lucky Girl wasn't really fleshed out enough for the writers to care.
      No more Ben 10 for me then.


      So yeah yout basically saying you not gonna watch it because lucky girl might not be in it.

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    • Does it really make a big impact if Lucky Girl is not in the reboot or the new Ben 10 frachise???

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    • Godslayer4life wrote:
      Does it really make a big impact if Lucky Girl is not in the reboot or the new Ben 10 frachise???


      I already made my choice and I purposely used Adventure Time's "Stakes" to criticise Ben 10's total ignorances toward Lucky Girl!


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    • I really don't see the impact if Lucky Girl wasn't in the reboot, so could someone explain this to me???

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    • Godslayer4life wrote:
      I really don't see the impact if Lucky Girl wasn't in the reboot, so could someone explain this to me???

      There is no impact that guy (or girl) just seems to think that the ben 10 franchise would be hell if lucky girl isn't in the reboot. Hes seems to forget the show isn't about lucky girl and we went through 2 ben 10 series without seeing a lucky girl again. So btgr i can't tell if your trolling or you truly believe this but ben 10 is find without lucky and dude learn how to quote properly because every post you make you are quoting yourself. He also thinks ben 10 is unwatchable without lucky girl which is basically saying Superman is unreadable without lois lane or supergirl who just like lucky girl was introduced much later in the comics. Also news flash the franshise is called Ben 10 not Ben 10 and Lucky girl so really no one besides you is gonna stop watching the show if god forbid (in a sarcastic tone) shes not in it.

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    • The Omnitriforcer wrote:

      There is no impact that guy (or girl) just seems to think that the ben 10 franchise would be hell if lucky girl isn't in the reboot. Hes seems to forget the show isn't about lucky girl and we went through 2 ben 10 series without seeing a lucky girl again. So btgr i can't tell if your trolling or you truly believe this but ben 10 is find without lucky and dude learn how to quote properly because every post you make you are quoting yourself. He also thinks ben 10 is unwatchable without lucky girl which is basically saying Superman is unreadable without lois lane or supergirl who just like lucky girl was introduced much later in the comics. Also news flash the franshise is called Ben 10 not Ben 10 and Lucky girl so really no one besides you is gonna stop watching the show if god forbid (in a sarcastic tone) shes not in it.

      Fine! Block me if you want! It's not gonna make any differences. I hate Ashley Johnson anyway!

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    • Well, we have actually seen Gwen being Lucky Girl in each of the shows. In Alien Force and I believe Ultimate Alien, Gwen had used her Lucky Girl outfit at least once in both of those series for when she sneaks into Hex's estate. Omniverse is when Lucky Girl appeared more commonly. Honestly though, I liked Gwen as Lucky Girl in the Original Series the most. It felt like there was a much greater purpose and use for her to use that persona in the Original Series than in the sequels.

      I wouldn't be surprised if they implement Lucky Girl in the reboot though. To me, it works as a nice build up for Gwen learning her magic abilities. One thing that I really don't want is for Cartoon Network to implement Gwen being a Human/Anodite hybrid again. The concept of the Anodites and Gwen being half Anodite made no sense at all and just felt so generic and typical and not unique. Gwen's better off being a fully human sorceress.

      Ashley Johnson isn't a bad actress. She was great in the Last of Us and had some good roles in other shows and films as well. To me, she wasn't bad as Gwen but she wasn't good either. In Alien Force, it sounded like Johnson wasn't even into the role at times and she made Gwen sound a bit obnoxious in Ultimate Alien. In Omniverse though, she was horrible as young 11-year-old Gwen. She most certainly does not fit the role there. To me, Johnson just doesn't seem like the right choice to voice Gwen. The same goes with Yuri Lowenthal with Ben. Just doesn't seem like he's the right choice either. Meagan Smith is the best and true Gwen and just did an outstanding job as her and the same goes with Tara Strong with Ben. I heard a while back that Tara Strong will return as Ben but I really hope that Meagan Smith will return as Gwen and not Ashley Johnson. Johnson's great but she's just not the right choice.

      Troll or not, to me, the reboot not having Lucky Girl being the reason for anyone not to watch the reboot just sounds so stupid. The series isn't about Gwen; it's about Ben. That's why it's called Ben 10. Because it's focused mainly on Ben.

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    • BenBFF wrote:
      Ben 10 Ultimate alien is a perfect example of what Ulti is talking about.


      I think ben would introduce tha aliens in the previous Omniverse and Ultimate Alien series. The voice would be like the original.  transformation would be like alien forece


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    • You do realize it is a reboot, Ben might not even have the aliens from the previous series.

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    • I only expect only the original series aliens in the reboot alongside with brand new aliens in the reboot.

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    • Well, if the information that I stated earlier about the Ben 10 Reboot is true, then Stinkfly and Wildvine are confirmed to be in the reboot plus there's the new alien called Overflow that would be confirmed as well. Unfortunately, I'm still having trouble trying to see if my source will post any images from the artwork online and I recently received a message from my source saying that he's thinking of not posting any images after all. Trying to ask for info from a 14-year-old is...quite frustrating to deal with.

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    • You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villiain...

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    • Ben2themax wrote:
      You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villiain...

      What?

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    • Dark Knight quote.

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