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    • Atomix. Alien X will just freeze there and get blown to bits.

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    • It depends, are we talking Celestialsapian species versus...whatever the heck Atomix is?

      If that's the case, well...Celestialsapians are basically Gods in the Ben 10 Universe. Plain and simple.

      If it's Atomix versus Alien X, taking into account every factor in play when Ben uses them, then the battle would remain a standstill. In order to defeat Atomix, Ben as Alien X would have to convince the two personalities to help him (keep in mind Ben has only been able to convince them twice). Even if Ben was stuck as Alien X, there is no guarantee that Atomix could actually do anything to him. Keep in mind that in the episode "so long, and thanks for all the smoothies" while Ben was Alien X he was the only thing that survived the weapon of mass distruction (which i can't spell), though other Celestialsapians probably survived too. While Ben was always afraid of Alien X's powers being absorbed or that the two minds wouldn't help, he never mentioned any other weaknesses such as being physically vulnerable. This could mean you can't actually kill Alien X. Also according to Derrick J. Wyatt, Alien X is the most powerful Alien Ben has, with Atomix being the 2nd strongest.

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    • Alright but I still have my money on Atomix.

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    • Nice points, but Atomix hasnt been developed enough. So far he seems to have no weaknesses, but like usual cant be used 100% of the time or else the show ould be boring.

      Celestialsapians have been shown to be high-level, possibly multidimensional beings. If Youve ever seen a comics, they would be like the Monitors from DC, Watchers from Marvel, or some equivalent.

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    • Atomix beat 2 aliens in their ultimate form I'm pretty sure he can handle Alien X.

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    • Uh, Alien X remade the entire universe, and survived the original one's destruction. Alien X's powers are limitless, and Atomix could handle the ultimates because Derrick confirmed that Atomix is the second most powerful alien in the omnitrix to date. To sum it up, Alien X would still win

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    • WarpathBlaststar wrote:
      Uh, Alien X remade the entire universe, and survived the original one's destruction. Alien X's powers are limitless, and Atomix could handle the ultimates because Derrick confirmed that Atomix is the second most powerful alien in the omnitrix to date. To sum it up, Alien X would still win

      What this guy said

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    • Ben101994 wrote:

      WarpathBlaststar wrote:
      Uh, Alien X remade the entire universe, and survived the original one's destruction. Alien X's powers are limitless, and Atomix could handle the ultimates because Derrick confirmed that Atomix is the second most powerful alien in the omnitrix to date. To sum it up, Alien X would still win

      What this guy said

      Um, does that mean you agree?

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    • I think so....

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    • Alien X.

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    • tie

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    • On the one hand, you have the ability to manipulate atoms. Fusion, fission, radioactive blasts, and so on. On the other, you have omnipotence. Omnipotence>Anything.

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    • I think both

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    • It would be a stalemate, Alien X can't agree to destroy Atomix and Atomix can't kill Alien X.

      Plus how would 2 of Ben's aliens be activated at the same time need not fight each other!

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    • We do these battles for fun dude. I suppose we would have to see how Alien X's defense is. Also, Blaziken rjcf, Atomix can manipulate atoms? I thought he could just create those blasts. If he can do that, can't he just take apart the atoms of his opponents? That seems a little OP.

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    • He can manipulate atoms to an extent. He can't just will the atoms to stop interacting with each other. Regardless, Alien X is still omnipotent.

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    • i agree with alien 10 i mean x

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    • alien x nothing you can say to change my mind

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    • Alien X is and always will be a Game Breaking trump card. Its power is already at its peak, capable of warping reality, and cant go any further.

      Other Ben10 Aliens have abilities which range from useful, to limited only by imagination. Many of them have untapped abilities thgat Ben is expected to learn in the future.

      Atomix is incredibly powerful. He created a minature sun through atomic fusion. If Ben wanted to he could seperate atoms that make up matter. I dont know if he could change reality, but he could destroy the one he in currently in.

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    • Yeah but Alien X can survive reality-destroying techniques

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    • That doesnt mean Alien X cant be destroyed.

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    • No, but Alien X can withstand blasts big enough to take out everything except celestialsapiens. Atomix is powerful but I don't think he can create an explosion big enough to take out a universe. A planet or 2 maybe, but not an entire Universe

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    • Which is Stronger? Both have shown indefinite power. Alien X has been able to near-perfectly restore structures like a dam and a Universe, but actual Offensive power is questionable. Atomix has been limited by Ben's imagination so up to things like atomic separation basically resulting in disintegration would be possible.

      Which is Tougher? the aliens ben uses are limited by him controlling them. He often shows "pain" even using aliens that dont have pain receptors. Alien X hasnt really battled, while Atomix has. Atomix being at least partly mechanical is a juggernaught.

      Alien X is very powerful, but hasnt shown any attack abilities and is paralyzed but the multiple personalities. Atomix hasnt shown any real weaknesses. Way Big was a powerful alien, but its strength was proportional to its size. Atomix has shown physically strength comparable to Way Big.

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    • Alien X hasn't been used for combat because Ben only bothers attempting to use him in life or death situations, such as the universe being destroyed. It has been noted that Celestialsapiens would merely have to will for something to be destroyed for it to be destroyed, but Ben has other aliens to be used in combat situations. Had Ben been given full control over Alien X we might have been able to see some Alien X fighting...sadly that wasn't the case. Atomix is powerful, and I admit, could beat Waybig. But Alien X is omnipotent, and could survive anything Atomix has to throw at him

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    • Alien X Omnipotent? Many fans seem to think that. Its highly debatable because Alien X hasnt fought anything, so it may be extremely weak physically. It hasnt shown any attacks so it may not even be able to.

      a next season episode is supposed to show more about the celestapiens but until then its basically "Alien X is God or Not".

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    • Chaosticket wrote:
      Alien X Omnipotent? Many fans seem to think that. Its highly debatable because Alien X hasnt fought anything, so it may be extremely weak physically. It hasnt shown any attacks so it may not even be able to.

      a next season episode is supposed to show more about the celestapiens but until then its basically "Alien X is God or Not".

      It's not debatable. Dwayne said it, Azmuth said it, and Paradox said it. I can't recall the exact quote by Dwayne, but I do recall what Azmuth and Paradox said:

      Azmuth: Alien X can do anything!

      Paradox: Should [Aggregor] absorb a Celestialsapien, he will become omnipotent.

      EDIT: Unless they retcon it, of course, though I don't see why they would, since his personalities already impose arbitrary limits on him.

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    • Chaosticket wrote:
      Alien X Omnipotent? Many fans seem to think that. Its highly debatable because Alien X hasnt fought anything, so it may be extremely weak physically. It hasnt shown any attacks so it may not even be able to.

      a next season episode is supposed to show more about the celestapiens but until then its basically "Alien X is God or Not".


      ...

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    • Ahem, so as I said before, Alien X can survive any of Atomix's attacks, and Alien X could easily beat Atomix

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    • Blaziken rjcf wrote:
      Chaosticket wrote:
      Paradox: Should [Aggregor] absorb a Celestialsapien, he will become omnipotent.

      EDIT: Unless they retcon it, of course, though I don't see why they would, since his personalities already impose arbitrary limits on him.

      And Once again, omnipotent doesnt mean omnipresent, omniscient, invulnerable, or above-human-strength, or multiple personality free.  Alien X restored a universe. Or he just shifted over to another similar universe(note the differences in universes).

      Aggregor has powers just by being an alien, combined with permanently acquired alien abilities, and he planned to acquire celestisapien powers WITHOUT multiple-personalities. He would have been stronger than pretty much any single being.

      Has Alien Xs power been explained in detail? Right now there very similar to Clockwork's Time/space power. Technically Clockwork is stronger than Alienx X.

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    • Chaosticket wrote:

      And Once again, omnipotent doesnt mean omnipresent, omniscient, invulnerable, or above-human-strength, or multiple personality free.

      "Once again"? You haven't said anything (in this thread) remotely related to anything aside from invulnerability and "multiple personality free". As for invulnerability, watch "X=Ben+2". For "multiple personality free", read the link Oneofthosedf posted.

      Chaosticket wrote:

      Alien X restored a universe. Or he just shifted over to another similar universe(note the differences in universes).

      He recreated an entire universe. That's what he said he was doing, and that's what everyone else said too.

      Chaosticket wrote:

      Aggregor has powers just by being an alien, combined with permanently acquired alien abilities, and he planned to acquire celestisapien powers WITHOUT multiple-personalities. He would have been stronger than pretty much any single being.

      ...Why is this relevant to anything I said?

      Chaosticket wrote:

      Has Alien Xs power been explained in detail?

      It would literally take an infinite amount of time to fully describe infinity. Start writing down every number (and I'm not just talking about integers) between 0 and 1. You will never finish. If you want to say something is infinite, you just say "it's infinite". Regardless, did you even read the link Oneofthosedf posted?

      Chaosticket wrote:

      Right now there very similar to Clockwork's Time/space power. Technically Clockwork is stronger than Alienx X.

      So Clockwork can recreate a universe? Did this happen in an episode I haven't watched yet? I've never seen him do anything related to space either.

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    • Omnipotent- almighty, having very great or unlimited authority or power.

      Even the dictionary says alien X could win.

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    • "almighty, having very great or unlimited authority or power." right, and Alienx X cant do any action consecutively.  Thats a huge limitation, so by definition Alien X isnt omnipotent.

      Unless its explained by the creator differently, Alien X and Clockwork both have time/space powers.

      1.  Alien X has so far restored things/reversed time. In So Long and Thanks For All the Smoothies Alien X reversed the universe into pre-destruction or more likely moved into another nearly-identical universe as hinted by differences at the end of the episode. Unless shown otherwise Alien X has no attacks.
      2.  Clockwork is one of the aliens that is limited by Ben's imagination as Ive mentioned several times. Its unknown if that alien has ANY power limits at all. Its physical limits are what keep it from being all-powerful as without its powers, its a slow, bulking, short-limbed alien.
      3.  Atomix also hasnt shown any limits beyond Ben's imagination. Controlled atomic fusion and fission arent something to take lightly. It would be funny if Ben just made a supernova or destroyed a planet by accident and he would have to fix it.
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    • Chaosticket, until you actually read the pages on the wiki and watch the episodes that aired in Brazil (as well as the one where Alien X recreated - not "reversed time" or "moved into another nearly-identical universe", but recreated - the universe), you won't understand why you're wrong.

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    • Ok 1. Alien X IS Omnipotent. 2. Alien X is also limited by imagination, Ben can do whatever the heck he wants as him, as long as Ben thinks of it he can do it. We just haven't seen any occasions that Ben was Alien X and got full control of his power. Up until the recent episode, Ben hasn't gotten full control in order to use Alien X in more situations such as combat. If you're saying that Atomix can defeat Alien X because his power can be greater with creativity, than you also have to factor in that Alien X can defeat Atomix in about 1000 different ways with enough imagination.

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    • Azmuth's Assistant wrote:
      It would be a stalemate, Alien X can't agree to destroy Atomix and Atomix can't kill Alien X.

      Plus how would 2 of Ben's aliens be activated at the same time need not fight each other!


      if alien x could break the stalematethen he would win

      asfor how these 2 aliens can fight remember this - alough ben can turn into these aliens they exist as races on other worlds so ben could take say alien x's form and come face to face with a member of atomix species ( if you look back at the show you might notice ben met a few forms he could turn into like arachnichimp (spidermonkey), petrosapien (diamolndhead ) and several tetramands ( fourarms) )

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    • Actually the whole "who would win concept" is just a fun thing that involves two or more of Ben's aliens (as Ben) fighting against each other. As for the stalemate thing...yeah it would only be a stalemate if Ben couldn't get his personalities to agree, but recently Ben has been given full control of Alien X

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    • Alien X

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    • WarpathBlaststar wrote:
      Actually the whole "who would win concept" is just a fun thing that involves two or more of Ben's aliens (as Ben) fighting against each other. As for the stalemate thing...yeah it would only be a stalemate if Ben couldn't get his personalities to agree, but recently Ben has been given full control of Alien X

      he has? when?

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    • The episode that has not been yet released in English but is available in some other language Ben vs Universe

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    • well that makes it a bit tricky to pin down - only seen eps in english

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