Talk:Ben 10,000 (Original)

IMPORTANT: Page Merger Discussion

Ok guys, in view of the Eon page situation, wherein Eon had always been a singular character, but the wiki had decided to split his page into two, on basis of the huge amount of retcons done to the character when re-introduced in UA. Since that has been changed, and Eon’s pages have been integrated into a single page that clearly lists out the retcons, errors in continuity, retold as well as original version of storyline etc, while being faithful to the uniqueness of the character, I feel, that the original Ben 10K, whose page also has been bifurcated into two, on similar grounds (massive amount of retcons/changes when re-introduced in OV), should go down the same correction as Eon. PLEASE carefully read the NOTES section of the page, specifically designed to explain to the readers the controversy and the WIKI’s decision on it. I have made this in such a way that the reader has all information regarding this AS WELL AS what the WIKI has done, instead of the Wiki twisting facts based on Suggestion Polls, and hiding the actual information. THE INFORMATION IS ALL PRESENTED TO THE READER, INCLUDING THE LOGICAL INCONSISTENCIES. As much as we hate illogical things, if they are on the show, we ought to tell readers about it, and if we are editing information to make it more logical, that too has to be conveyed to the readers. Hiding DJW’s statements (or changing them, like it was done in the Trivia section) on OS Ben 10K returning is incorrect, and unethical. NOTE: You may still feel that the Ben 10Ks are different persons, and hence joining the pages feels wrong, but consider these two things: EON’s species, entire backstory and motivation was changed. Yet the Wiki doesn’t think he is a different Eon. I checked back on all the debates over this controversy. The side in favour of separate pages really revolved their proofs around the fact that OS Ben 10K was an alternate future, while OV Ben 10K was supposedly the current future. When you take away this information, and have OV Ben 10K not be the current future, none of the cake issue and other issues remain, and Ben 10K just becomes a future that perhaps (or perhaps not) closely mirrors the actual current future, with the exception being Ben did give the cake to Max (something pretty insignificant, but a timeline-splitter for sure). There is no proof in OMNIVERSE itself that suggests Ben 10K has to be the current future, and unlike DJW’s remarks on OS Ben 10K returning (he said higher authorities forced them to return to OS), which carry more weight and are un-refuted, his claim on OV Ben 10K being the current destined future seems more like his opinion on the topic, and is refuted (by Matt Wayne, who said it is not necessary). I explain this in more detail on the page itself (NOTES section). Please read and understand that before fighting.

Shocker0438 Shocker04 | User | Talk Page | 16:25, August 18, 2019 (UTC)

children

he also has a daughter, named Gwen

Aliens used

On the article there are listed all the aliens Ben 10,000 should have, while there should be only the ones he used. Could someone who remembers the episodes check the list and remove the ones he wasn't shown using? --Yuidirnt ^{the Kevin 11 fan!} 17:34, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Canon?

Is this character still canon? cause Alien Force contradicts many of the events taking place around him. Another thing is that he still wears the Omnitrix and not the Ultimatrix and it doesn't look like it never was taken off Ben's wrist or never recalibrated and just looks like it grew w/ him while Ben was aging. Then again the writers weren't expecting to make the Ultimatrix that far ahead. The part that future Gwen took 10 year old Ben and Gwen to the future maybe still canon since 15 year old Ben still remembers that the Omnitrix has 10,000 aliens available from their trip. --Renzo493 04:58, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

he is canon but from a possible future--Linkdarkside 20:57, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

perhaps from an Alternate future! Echo Echo Echo Echo!! (Alien X Fan!!) 02:33, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

ben10000 use to where he has a black shirt with a white stripe

Never Takes off the Omnitrix?

Are we sure about that? To my knowledge when Dwayne McDuffie was still with us just said AF/UA things went different then the alternate 10K timeline, but I've never seen him go into detail about those changes. I don't think it should written down here as fact, but rather a theory unless McDuffie said for sure that this Ben 10K never took of the Omnitrix. Gwen still using spells and Kevin being evil can still be explained even if Ben 10K took of the Omnitrix the same as present Ben. Gwen in AF/UA still uses spells herself some times. Using the charms to become more powerful maybe more preferable than her leaving to train with Verdona, since she would have to lose her body. Ben 10K may have never had an event in his past that made him give Kevin another chance. --GL089 00:35, May 21, 2011 (UTC)-GL089

Merging?

I just thought of something, if the Ben from Goodbye and Good Riddance is the same Ben as this Ben 10,000, then why are there two sepreate pages. If they are talking about the same timeline Ben, then should't there be just one page that has all of the information. Afterall the Gwendolyn Tennyson (alternate timeline) page covers her info from Goodbye and Good Riddance and in Ben 10,000 (episode)/Ken 10. Also sorry for any and all bad spelling and/or grammar in either the headline or in what I typed here. Kuri-master (Talk - Blog - Contribs) 00:23, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, there should be. We need to talk to the admins about it.

Secrets..once revealed.. they can never be hidden again Suzaku Kururugi112897 (Talk - Blog- Contribs) 09:09, February 17, 2013 (UTC) D

Canon

Derrick said that they are going with this version of ben 10.000 as ben's future, so i sugest to remove the retconed panel, and also not to list gbgr ben as his past self that was retconed by the omniverse team--Masterq (talk) 20:54, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Well, we'll have to take it up with a Admin about  that and see if we can do anything about that.

Secrets..once revealed.. they can never be hidden again 09:10, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

Page name

Should this page be called Ben Tennyson (Ben 10,000 Timeline) instead of Ben 10,000 (Ben 10)? --Kyle03 (talk) 19:03, April 10, 2014 (UTC)