That's fine. I accept your apology. And yeah, calling you a jerk isn't nice either and I apologize for that. Still though, that is something that you should at least be aware of. You insulted me and as a result, I viewed you as a jerk because of it, something that is reasonable and sensible to happen even if it's not nice. You're a discussion moderator. Do you really think that saying stuff like that to a user here is going to make you and the wiki look good? Again, you have to show some respect because you partly represent the wiki due to your position. If you do stuff like that, people like me will view you as a jerk and it's going to hurt you and this wiki. You and your actions contribute to how people are going to view this wiki. Again, I accept your apology. Just be careful with what you do here. That's all. Thank you for the apology and again, I apologize for calling you a jerk.
I think that everyone gets it now, you have no faith in the reboot, but can you please stop telling everyone about that in every single reboot thread we have? It is honestly kinda annoying. This is not a warning, just advice.
It is extremely annoying, even when I go to a thread saying "What do you want from the reboot?" I see "The reboot is gonna be baaad", can you atleast stop posting that type of posts in the "What do you want from the reboot" thread?
I'm not trying to be mean here but no means no. These are my thoughts and opinions on the reboot and I'm going to express them. I'd rather criticize the problems that the series has than boast on how great it is. That is just how I am. Besides, I don't even want to be negative here. I want this reboot to be great. I want to be wrong on my predictions here. I'm hoping that this reboot is going to bring justice to the series after the poor treatment that Cartoon Network gave to the series with Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, and Omniverse. However, I'm not blind here. I'd rather accept the truth, even if I don't like it and the truth here is that this reboot is most likely going to fail. Cartoon Network doesn't care about this series and what Man of Action wants to do with it. I even think that Cartoon Network is screwing us over and lying to us about the reboot. All Cartoon Network cares about is making a poor quality show and building it's success off the name and popularity alone. You don't like people giving negativity? Sorry about this but too bad. Welcome to the real world. Again, not trying to be mean here. I'm just saying this. That's all. You don't have to agree with people's negativity on this reboot but you're better off accepting it. Even if you don't like it and you find it annoying. Their thoughts and they decide on what they want to express and how. That includes me. Again, I'm just saying here. This is how the world works.
Let's talk about this on here and not on another thread. You've been researching this for hours. I've been doing research for months on this and I'm still doing more research. I've covered every side, angle, and corner of this reboot and Cartoon Network themselves. Cartoon Network is in charge of the Ben 10 reboot. Cartoon Network does have a say in all of this. Their production teams do what Cartoon Network tells them to do with this reboot. Cartoon Network isn't the only company that does this either. It happens all the time. It's very common place. With Star Wars Battlefront, EA has DICE make half a game so the other half would be sold as DLC. With Call of Duty, Activision has their developers make the same game every year and fill it with gimmicks while focusing more on marketing just to milk this series out every single year. You can also include Activision making licensed games just to cash in on their successes. After Hideo Kojima announces that he's leaving Konami, Konami cancels Silent Hills despite the potential for it to be one of the greatest horror games out there. Why? Because reasons. Then there's Cartoon Network, who had done things such as airing live action shows on a cartoon channel and cancel great shows such as Young Justice and Sym-Bionic Titans despite their successes on the channel and replacing them with shows such as Clarence, Uncle Grandpa, and Teen Titans Go, the most hated show on CN. Cartoon Network does run everything and shapes everything into what they want and their production teams do what Cartoon Network tells them to do.
Here's a couple of videos that shows what Cartoon Network had done in recent years, showing why so many viewers hate Cartoon Network and blame Cartoon Network for what it is today and for the very shows that it airs now. The second video being a great satire of Cartoon Network and feel free to check out the channel that posted the second video that I linked with their "100% Honest" series, proving how it's very much common place that companies like Cartoon Network shape most, if not all, of their projects to suit their greedy needs. This is why so many viewers hate Cartoon Network. Because this is what Cartoon Network does. (Warning: Strong Language)
Videos removed - Orion (T-B-C) 17:04, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
Cartoon Network does, and indeed did, shape Ben 10 based on fan input. The second to last episode of Season 3 of Alien Force even provides a subtle message that shows that CN shapes Ben 10 based off of fan input. If Alien Force managed to gather success and a fan base, why do you think Cartoon Network shaped Ultimate Alien and Omniverse to be more like the Original Series than Alien Force? Because that is very much indeed the input that fans gave. That is what fans want in Ben 10. However, Cartoon Network doesn't understand what makes Ben 10 great in the first place so all they've really done is make the series even worse. I have seen YouTube videos and comments, fan forums, etc that shows more dislike towards the reboot than like. Even TvTropes sums up the overall response from fans on this reboot, showing more dislike towards the reboot.
Cartoon Network can't take fan suggestions and ideas, huh? So explain to me why Cartoon Network has a Contact Us/Feedback page on their website where fans and viewers can give their opinions, suggestions, ideas, and input. In fact, want to know where most of the designs for most, if not all, of Ben's aliens in the sequels came from? Well, here you go. This index series dates all the way back to 2007, a year before the Original Series ended and CN got to work with Alien Force. This index shows the very aliens that make their first appearances until Alien Force, Ultimate Alien, and Omniverse. Oh and I looked up this artist and as far as I know, he never officially worked on Ben 10. Again, this is as far as I know.
I am not even gonna reply to you anymore, it is obvious that you ignore everything I say and digging to the bottom of the barrel for "proof", those two videos, which had swears, are fan created contact, also known as opinions. They are not official CN stuff. You even thought that a random user on the internet can give reboot artwotk and think that CN, or any company for that matter, can accept fan suggestions even though Derrick and many other staff from different media said they can't.
Also, there is a difference between "suggestions" and "feedbacl", feedback is about telling what is good and bad about show, while suggestions are stuff like "Ben should be more mature, bring back Max". Your only solid evidence here is the DA art, which I have to say can be a timeline problem, perhaps he seen a preview or an ad of UAF, or perhaps he has visited CN before like Cheshire, plus DA is horrible, always making bad updates that can also mess up with time dates.
Well, I'll try not to use abbreviated swears if it makes you happy, even though it's better and more appropriate to use than actually swearing. Other than that, if an admin has a problem with it, they can let me know.
Echoson is right, sorry to intrude but i just wanted to come here and leave this link http://ben10.wikia.com/wiki/Ben_10_Planet:Guidelines
Bad language censored or abbreviated are absolutely Not allowed. Also this message counts as a warning since you broke a rule, doesn't matter whether or not an admin is the one leaving the message or not as long as there was a rule broken it counts.
I honestly don't care if you think Ben and Gwen should have a romantic relationship. What I do care about is you trying to advertise your idea that's "supported by millions of fans" so that "Cartoon Network will have to listen to [you]" by going off-topic in another user's thread and spamming said advertisement several times. Consider this your final warning before a block occurs.
On a semi-related note, if your idea were "supported by millions of fans", as you claim, then you'd have all the support you need, since there are only so many millions of fans of the series. However, seeing as how it's not, you might want to consider there's a good reason for it.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone here. I didn't mean to. All I'm trying to do is encourage people to voice their opinions, concerns, and suggestions. I'm not advertising anything here. I'm just trying to encourage and persuade people to voice their opinions out to CN. If anyone here doesn't want to do that, don't. I don't dictate how you run your lives. You decide on what you want to do. The thing is that there's a lot of people that don't want this series to fall and don't want this reboot to fail. I just want to try and do something about it. That's all. If I accidentally went too far, I'm sorry.
I didn't say that my idea was supported by millions of fans. What I really meant is that most fans of Ben 10 don't like this approach of rebooting the Original Series and that most fans rather have a reboot of the sequels. If you go around and search up fan responses to the Ben 10 reboot, most of the responses are very much negative towards it.
All I really want is for people to just speak up. To tell CN what needs to be done and to ensure that the reboot will turn out great. Regardless of whether or not fans agree with a reboot to the Ben 10 sequels, the problem is that not enough people are stepping in to tell CN what the reboot should be. All I really want is what other fans want and that is a reboot to Ben 10 that makes everything great and right again.
Again, if I offended anyone here, I'm sorry. If I accidentally went to far here, I'm sorry. I'm not perfect. Nobody is perfect. We all make mistakes. Even me. I didn't make the right approach here. I didn't play my cards right. I made a mistake and I'm sorry for that.
May I ask this? How is linking my GoogleDoc count as advertisement? I put it there to further explain my argument instead of having to spend hours, even days, retyping everything that I wanted to discuss. Am I selling anything to anyone through my document? Am I promoting anything through my document? I just simply put in the link to my document to further explain my argument. The link to Cartoon Network's feedback page and Man of Action's email address to provide a shortcut so people won't have trouble with contacting Cartoon Network and how they can do that. I am not advertising anything. These links are not advertisements because I am not selling anything here. There is even an option to post a link onto my comment. It is right between the "Italic" and "Add Photo" option. It counts as an advertisement if I am selling and promoting anything through my link. However, my link is only there to go further indepth with my argument. Not to advertise anything. Again, I am not advertising anything. The GoogleDoc link is there to further analyze my argument. I'm also giving people a choice not to read it and not to support me. If you want, though, I'd be more than happy to make some edits to make my thread acceptable. Otherwise, I am not advertising anything. I am not selling anything. My link is not spam. IIf this doesn't convince you, again, I can make edits to make it more acceptable.
Posting unwarranted links to other websites? Check.
Posting unwarranted info? Check.
Making a thread for the sole purpose of advertising a course of action you want others to carry out? Check.
Advertising means drawing unwarranted attention to something. While it's mostly used in the context of commercial advertisement, it does include other types. In other words, your thread fit the definition quite nicely. Even if I were to concede on that, it still fits the definition of spam.
On a personal note, like I told another spammer, the series is already under production. At this point, all you can do is not watch it, since it doesn't affect your prior experiences.
And now you're making posts that are basically the same information repeated several times (like a spambot), with your latest one including yet another advertisement (this time for your website). Consider this your last warning.
Ok, I'm confused. What are you talking about now? How was that spam? I gave out information about the Ben 10 Reboot's artwork. How is that bad? I'm saying, "hey, this is what I found out about the Ben 10 Reboot." It was news. Information. I'm also telling people to take that info with caution because there is a possibility that it could be false. Also, that's not my website. Here's something that I want to ask. Why not give me a chance to fix my comment? I can go back an edit my comment. Why not just message me and tell me what I did wrong so that I can go back and edit my comment to fix the mistakes and make it acceptable? Why can't you let me do that instead of removing my comments? I just want to inform people about information on the artwork for the Ben 10 Reboot. That's all. Can I please have my comment back so that I can edit it and make it acceptable or at the very least can I give this information on the artwork out to people in a way that you find acceptable?
Great Ochoa wrote:I gave out information about the Ben 10 Reboot's artwork. (...) I'm saying, "hey, this is what I found out about the Ben 10 Reboot." It was news. Information.
All these sentences mean the same thing.
Great Ochoa wrote:
Why not give me a chance to fix my comment? I can go back an edit my comment. Why not just message me and tell me what I did wrong so that I can go back and edit my comment to fix the mistakes and make it acceptable? Why can't you let me do that instead of removing my comments? I just want to inform people about information on the artwork for the Ben 10 Reboot. That's all. Can I please have my comment back so that I can edit it and make it acceptable or at the very least can I give this information on the artwork out to people in a way that you find acceptable?
And this entire chunk of text can be summarized in practically any of its sentences.
In the post I removed, the first and last paragraphs were almost completely identical, with only a few words or phrases having been rewritten. You constantly repeated yourself throughout the post for no reason, saying the exact same thing in four or five different ways per paragraph.
Hold on. Do you mean when I keep saying that there is a chance that the info could be false and that people should be cautious about it? You're saying that me constantly reminding people that the information could be false is similar to a spambot? That constantly giving out a warning for the purpose of ensuring that people receive and understand this warning is a bad thing to do? I can't give out my warning to people and then later on give out that same warning again to remind people of it? What is so wrong about that? Why is that grounds for removing my comment and giving me one last warning before you ban me? People repeat themselves, you know. It happens. I guess for me it happens more often because I have autism. Still, it happens.
One reminder that the information might be unreliable would have been enough if you didn't repeat yourself four or five times for every point you make.
Assuming you were actually diagnosed with autism and aren't "self-diagnosed", like so many people, you seem about as coherent as the average person, so I'm guessing your repetitive patterns don't keep you from thinking clearly once you calm down. With that in mind, here's some advice: don't hit "Reply" right away. Re-read your post and remove every sentence that says the same thing as the one before it, only in a different way. I'm also assuming you understand using repetition for emphasis, so that's one exception to the advice.
I do read my posts before submitting them and, to me, I found my comment to be acceptable. Again, you couldn't have just messaged me on the mistakes that I made and give me a chance to edit my comment to make it acceptable. I'm making this a big deal because you are threatening to ban me or something because I repeated myself. Can I have my comment back so that I can edit it and make it acceptable?
How much time did you let pass before re-reading your comment? I'm saying, take a short break (5 minutes, tops), then come back and re-read your comment.
I'm not threatening to block you because you repeated yourself. I'm threatening to block you because you excessively repeated yourself. The post in question consisted of three paragraphs, two of which were identical, and the third was just a whole bunch of repeated sentences.
I will restore most of your post so you can edit it, but only when you return. I'll leave out the bits about the other website where you posted the same information.
I submitted my previous message to you two hour ago. I already had my break. Again, I'm more than happy to edit my post. All I want for now on is that you just message me the mistakes that I made so that I can have a chance to fix them. Not for you to just remove my comments and threaten to block me. If me or anyone else makes a mistake, give them a chance to fix it. That's all. Can you please list everything that I need to fix and remove on my post again?
I meant take a short break before reviewing your posts, but only hit "Reply" after you've had a chance to review them.
There's really only one thing you need to fix: excessive repetition. You say the same thing in multiple ways four or five times in a row, turning what should be a couple 2-3 sentence paragraphs into a confusing mess of a post.
As for giving people the chance to fix their mistakes, what makes you think I don't? I gave you a warning in this thread and followed up on it. I do the same with other warnings.
Still, I'm not willing to give it a full 100% confirmation that the info is true and thus will give out a warning to others to take the info with a grain of salt. To be cautious yet optimistic. I do believe that it is highly likely that this info is correct but I'm still not giving it a full 100% confirmation until I see the artwork myself.
Second, my source describes Stinkfly and Wildvine by saying that they look more human. Yeah, again, my source says that Stinkfly and Wildvine look more human. This might go for the some of the other aliens that Ben has if not all of them. Still, Stinkfly and Wildvine were, according to my source, redesigned to look more human.
I know. That's why I gave out the warning. Actually, I got a message from my source that he is thinking of releasing some of the artwork. At first he thought of releasing the images in low resolution but I told him that anyone could easily take those images and high resolution them. He is also thinking of releasing an image of XLR8 first. I'll provide an update when something happens.
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