Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-26422668-20141108160519/@comment-1409915-20141113045022

BrimStoned wrote: ItsMichaelReid wrote: Man never realized how much UA really destroyed Ben 10. Btw Ive seen only a few episodes, can someone explain why its so hated? Its not really hated. It also depends on who you are talking to. The Ben 10 fandom has a pretty wide range of opinions. Some people think Omniverse is the best, some think Ultimate Alien is the best, ect. But the original series was for sure the most popular. AF and UA retconed a few things, and thats probably why it was less polular, but it still was polular. Omniverse has brought back a lot of things from the original series, and is pretty popular amoung original series fans, so Omniverse and the first show are the most poluar of the franchise, thats all. Adding onto that Alien Force retconned a lot of things that overwrote things we knew from the original series (eg: Kevin and Gwen being aliens instead of a mutant and magic user respectively) heck turning Kevin good and setting him up with Gwen was something that may have been contested. Also things like Vilgax being not as intimidating and actually worse off, destroying the original Omnitrix. It was also a lot darker than the first series. Now while the tone doesn't necessarily make it bad, it's stories just weren't good and just did match up with the first series.

Ultimate Alien was better in fixing a lot of problems left by Alien Force and the two live action movies but it also still had problems with retcons and such, one being Ben 10'000 and his "Ultimate Ben" form that completely left the first Ben 10'000. The Ultimate Aliens were fun and a good concept but things surrounding them (the pink eyes), as well as a lot of stories, including things like Sunny being a cousin of Ben and Gwen's and a lot of others, were either hinted at or just never completed, sometimes both. Also the ending was pretty bad, introducing Diagon, having Vilgax pretty much become his servant them somehow cheat him out of his power and then to end it all with Vilgax practically a god and instead of using the Omnitrix (*Ahem, Ultimatrix) to defeat him Ben becomes a knight and uses a sword.

The last story also took a long time to develop stretched over tons of episodes and even a hiatus only for it to pretty much go nowhere and leave tons of loose ends, retcons, unexplained cameos, unexplained circumstances, and just a lot of unanswered questions. The art style also contributed being limited in action, facial expression and not really translating a lot of what the characters were feeling while also being bland, uniform and standard.

As a bonus Ultimate Alien offered to show all the aliens Ben had ever turned into in the intro, but didn't show the majority of them, instead overusing aliens you'd already seen a thousand plus times, replacing other aliens with stand in's (like Eatle to Upchuck and Jury Rigg to Upgrade, though granted he broke stuff before he fixed it, some of who, *ahem*Fasttrack*ahem*, were completely useless rip offs of previous aliens *ahem*XLR8*ahem*.

This all said UAF wasn't all bad. They had good episodes and stories that had thought, heart, and sometimes, emotion put into them.

Omniverse put a lot of effort into bringing back the feel of the original which meant getting rid of the dark tone (and by extension always seemingly night atmosphere), bringing back the humor, all the previous aliens ever used, (with the exception of Jetray, Spitter, Chamalien and *ahem*Fasttrack*ahem*) and just pretty much a lot of nods and characters from the first series. OV also tried to reconcile all of the franchise, from the movies, to UAF and of course OV. It had it's bad moments as well, but it still raised the ratings from after Ultimate Alien.

As Brim stated, the fanbase is varied across the issue, some flat out hating Omniverse, some hating UAF, and even one or two hating OS. It's all a matter of opinion.