Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6527064-20150725002151/@comment-26812877-20151015060213

How is Kevin dealing with child abuse and becoming a thug so similar to Ben starting off his heroing? Kevin is the opposite of Ben. He shows what Ben could have become if Ben too always wanted more.

So what, the Joker is supposed to see the error of his ways? Lex Luthor is supposed to see the error of his ways? Trigon from Teen Titans is supposed to see the error of his ways? Megatron? Magneto? Vilgax? People can change but people can also stay the same as well. In fact, there is a saying, "the more things change, the more they stay the same." Kevin is the type of individual that would truly never change. The new writers changed Kevin into someone that he would never truly become. As I stated before, there is no gap in contrasting personality between Ben, Gwen, and Max. Those three are as perfect of a team that this series could offer. Everything that's needed is already there with Ben, Gwen, and Max. I would understand the Plumbers' Kids but Ben, Gwen, and Max don't need Kevin to fill in any sort of gap.

Did I say that every hero needs to be a cocky, arrogant glory hound? No I did not. I said that characters need to have the right personality for them. A personality that truly defines them. That's not a factor of opinion or at the very least not a major factor. It's a factor of structuring and designing a character. As I stated before, Ben in the Original Series is cocky, ego-centric, fun-loving, impulsive, and I do agree on arrogant at times but he is also mature and serious. When compared to serious Ben (Alien Force) and cocky Ben (Omniverse), the Original Series Ben is both serious and cocky. In the Original Series, Ben learns that the world is not black and white and that it's more complex. He already learned this before Alien Force. Original Series Ben is where Ben was and still is at his best and this paragraph explains why. I already explained why in my previous comments. That is why Ben should have the personality that he had in the Original Series. His Original Series personality is what truly defined him.

"In the Original Series, Ben grew up as the show progressed. He developed and improved himself into becoming a better and more responsible hero while staying his good same old self." Did I state that I'm against Ben developing as a character? Did I stated that I'm against one of the most important aspects of designing characters? This quote from one of my previous comments here says otherwise. Again, as I stated before, in the Original Series, Ben truly grew up. He developed and improved himself. He focused on becoming a better hero and person. As for Gwen, did I say that she didn't fight in the sequels? No I did not. I stated that in the Original Series, Gwen is the voice of reason but is willing to fight, and I will also add stand up for herself, when necessary. I also said that in the sequels, Gwen complains to Ben and Kevin over the actions (you know what, I'll also mention choices) that they make yet let's them walk all over her. I did not say that Gwen doesn't fight her enemies in the sequels because obviously she does actively fight her enemies since that we all saw her do so.

Regardless of whether or not Gwen tries to show that she's better than Ben, she still proves to be the voice of reason and the logical one in the team.

I said the series went down hill since Man of Action was replaced not because I don't like the sequels but because that's what actually happened. Alien Force was hit with criticisms and so were Ultimate Alien and most definitely Omniverse. Many, if not most, fans don't like and/or even hated the sequels because they lost the charm of the Original Series and the style that Man of Action incorporated. Many, if not most, fans didn't want a Ben 10 show that caterred to a more mature audience. They wanted a show that could deliver on the level that the Original Series delivered on. They want the style and quality that Man of Action gave when making the Original Series. That is where the sequels failed at. That is why many or most fans were against the sequels. That is why the Ben 10 series went down hill due to how the sequels turned out.

Man of Action was also not involved with the sequels. They had a disagreement with Cartoon Network on Ben 10 Hero Generation which led to Cartoon Network removing Man of Action's involvement with the series and Cartoon Network replacing Man of Action with a new set of writers that didn't even truly know what they were working with. This wasn't Man of Action's decision. It was Cartoon Network's decision.

You don't need Kevin to be a good guy to bring in newer villains. Kevin can stay as a villain while new villains can still be introduced. Again, he's supposed to be a villain. He's not supposed to be the sympathetic individual that we saw in the sequels. He's supposed to be the heartless killer that we saw in the Original Series because that is what he was structured as and intended by Man of Action.

Man of Action created the Ben 10 series. They understand it better than anyone else. Therefore, Man of Action ave the best mindset and direction for the series. It's what Man of Action wanted to do with Ben 10 that I'm discussing here. The sequels went through so many changes in continuity, elements, style, etc. that it created a lot of problems with them. The series went the direction that Man of Action didn't want to take.

Pay attention to the words that I type here. Stop stating certain points that you claim I make but I never did make. I would also recommend that you go back and watch the Original Series and analyze it because by they way that you try to argue with me in your comments, you missed the bigger picture of the Original Series.