Board Thread:Suggestions/@comment-5486221-20190212142357/@comment-27464497-20190216161059

Congradulations. You missed the point of the analogy too. If I take my car to the shop and give it a new paintjob I didn't buy a new car. I altered my already existing car. If you saw my car before I altered it, then saw it with its new coat of paint you wouldn't say "You bought a new car" because it's the same car just altered. Same thing here. The failure to understand this concept just shows a lack of understanding of how fictional universes work, especally superhero comics books, the very medium the Ben 10 franchise was based off of.

By stating there are differences between the two so they must be different timelines altogether forces you to argue OS, UAF, and OV as three different timelines too. That's what's stupid about your argument. "There are differences therefore they must be different timelines altogether" forces you to argue OS, UAF, and OV are 3 different timelines which they canononically aren't. UAF is the same timeline as the OS with some alterations (retcons) and OV is the same timeline as UAF with some more alterations (retcons). OS/OV Ben 10,000 is no different in that regard, in fact, that's just another way of explaining it.

When I said UA Ben 10,000 was from "a completely different timeline" I meant he is and was canonically confirmed to be a different person from the first Ben 10,000 we saw in the OS. This isn't debateable. Unlike UA Ben 10,000, OV Ben 10,000 was canonically confirmed to be the same person as OS Ben 10,000. You can't compare the two, you'll look like an idiot for trying.

Now you're ignoring canon evidence again. Mentioning all the differences between the two means nothing as it was confirmed those differences don't matter because time has shifted and the future was changed yet again. And even if  differences in continuity meant different timelines, you MUST believe OS, UAF, and OV are 3 different timelines. That's why your argument is stupid. It's actively ignoring canon and bending established rules in the continuity to justify its existance. It's a headcanon, nothing more.

In your timeline example shows your lack of understanding of the subject yet again. For starters, we aren't dealing with two different timelines, we're talking about one which was altered some time in the future. If you existed in a timeline, and that same timeline was later altered to where you were never born, then it still is the same timeline just altered. When Ben as Alien X remade the Universe and made countless little changes to it in the Omniverse epidode So Long, and Thanks for All the Smoothies, he altered that existing universe (metaphorically, or perhaps literally, covering an old car in a new coat of paint). Does this mean Omniverse episodes 1-7 are one timeline and Omniverse episodes 8-80 are another? No. Of course not. The entirety of Omniverse is one timeline. You're so adamant in proving your headcanon that haven't yet grasped the full extent of the argument you're putting forward. By your own logic, differences in continuity must mean there are multiple timelines to explain each one of those differences and that just isn't true. It's like you've never read a comic book before. Retcons are a thing that exist. Look it up.

"The only way they could be regarded as the same, is via retcon. A retcon that needs to be applied to the show itself."

As opposed to a retcon that doesn't apply anything? You are aware you just agreed with me right? The statements I posted ARE RETCONS. You just admitted the OS/OV futures being the same is a retcon which contradicts your previous argument of them being different timelines. This is the mental gymnastics you have to go through to justify your headcanon. You have to go as far as saying retcons don't matter to you simply because you don't want them to be true.

"So, yes, Paradox indeed would need to spoon feed us that OV Ben 10K is the same one as OS. Otherwise, *logically*, due to the inconsistencies existing, we come to the conclusion they are in fact different."

So OS, UAF, and OV are different timelines because Paradox didn't spoonfeed us that every change between the two is in fact the same timeline. Got it.

I love these moving goalposts. First you demand evidence they are the same, then you demand on-screen evidence they are the same, then you demand a specific character says they're the same. I love it. OV Ben 10,000 is the same person as the OS Ben 10,000 because we were told that is the case. We have both statements and in-universe explanations by Paradox explaining how this is possible. Now you're just desprately clinging to the idea of them being different, thinking of another goalpost even after it has been thouroughly explained by the show itself and DJW that the two are the same person in canon. You can't debate these facts.