Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-24661095-20140309142453/@comment-6028837-20140309161009

BartekKrakowski wrote: I am really shocked, that Omniverse, was well received by most of Ben 10 fanbase. Although, it could be due to low age of viewers, because it's obvious the show is targeted to small children and they can't really feel the difference, they just want to see their Ben (or in case of OV - poor imitation of him). I also know, that people watch Omniverse, because "there is nothing cool on at the moment". These few things are for sure a reason for high viewership, so I don't understand this argument that if show is popular it must be very good. I actually think, that producers stopped trying to make a good plot, animations or characters, because they realized that children would still watch their show. And that's the main difference between OS/AF/UA and Omniverse. First Ben was amazing and the best one, no doubts, I think everyone can admit it. It was different than every other show, it had a deep plot, great characters, high detailed animations, great music including the intro etc. Also, it often made us laugh, '''but! Unlike in the OV, OS maintained seriousness of the situation!!''' And in the OV we have a feeling, that nothing can threat Ben. Powerful, threating world villans are reduced to stupid, brainless idiots with very shallow "humour". I can give a lot of examples, but I don't have time to memorise them all, so I'll just give one from last episode: '''Phsyphon mistook some human for a Vilgax.. Along with Ben'''. Seriously. I coudn't believe it. Vilgax's sidekick, very smart and intelligent alien acted like he'd have a dumpster instead of brain. I'll try to summarize Omniverse (it is my opinion!):

Pros:

1) Music is pretty enjoyable. It is catchy and fits the situation, although not as good as in AF/UA (I'm not even comparing to OS). It's the only reason I somehow manage to watch this garbage. 2) Sometimes it flashes back to the time when he was a kid (and actually he was a lot more intelligent then!). And it's not that the plot, suddenly gets better .. It is just my nostalgia for OS, nice to see Grandpa, Gwen and Ben together again.

Cons:

1) It is the worst Ben 10 show. I thought it can't get worse after UA. I was very wrong. 2) Omniverse is disgustingly candy-like and boring. They have made Phantom(!) look like a Casper the Friendly Ghost. My favorite alien got completly ruined! And I couldn't wait for Ben to transform into Ghostfreak. When he did, I nearly puked.. 3) I don't know what happened to Ben's maturity. It seems that it just dissapeared. New Ben isn't only cocky and full of himself. He is just stupid. And that's a harsh fact. If he'd atleast mantain his skills.. no, even one Charmcaster's rock monster took him a lot of time to destroy. Not mentioning the girl tetramand. He defeated Vilgax, one of the most evil beings in the universe, yet he can barly handle some minor aliens. Please. 4) Animation. It just looks like crap. Max's eyes look like he have overdosed LSD. '''Gwen's face can be mistaken for orangutans one. '''I will leave Kevin without commentary, because I could loose my temper. 5) Complete disrespect for the original fanbase, teen/adult one. 6) Aliens (with only a few exeptions). Azmuth's second brain, lol.. 7) Intro music. It is not so bad, but for sure the worst one. Let me explain what I mean, by quoting the lyrics: "He's a kid, and he wants to have fun!". I don't think Ben is a kid anymore. He's a teen and that makes a difference. A big one. For not to only critize I can say that intro music is fine. Not so catchy like in OS, but still good. 8) Julie Yamamoto. I don't think I'm the only one who dislikes the way, thier relationship ended. In one episode, they destroyed something, that was being being built from the beggining of AF. And Ben didn't show any kind of emotions when she rejected him. He acted like a robot, seriously. He smiled and went to smoothies with Ester, if I remember correctly. I was waiting for him to cry. Nothing. Atleast be sad, nah. 9) Transformations. They suck, some of them just don't make any sense. LEGO alien or an extraterrastial chicken. Very original. Oh, and this rasta alien. I can't tell how much he annoyed me.

That's all. I'm hoping for some good discussion and argument exchange here :-) (oh, and sorry for my english, it's not my first language). i pretty much disagree with everything you said but i especially disagree with the whole julie thing, mostly because they relationship was already being destroyed in AF and UA. sure pier pressure was a good episode and it seemed like a strong foundation for there relationship. but unfortuantely all that came after was ben and julie argueing and fighting about ben not spending time with her and blah blah even gwen meddled in there shattered relationship. so really  the whole benlie thing was a scrambled mess from the get go. also you say they have complete disrespect for the original fanbase, so i guess OV bringing back characters that weve only seen in OS is disrepect and giving them more depth and showing off there personalities ar also disrepect. and you say bens maturity was a problem which i agree to a certain point because in the beggining of AF he did seem mature but then as the show proggressed he well he wanted too kill kevin is killing mature ? especially killing a friend who was genetecally altered and messed up in the head and not even trying to find a way to help him, that doesnt sound very mature. and i dont understand what your talking about with number 6.