Board Thread:Suggestions/@comment-4908075-20190413100016/@comment-4908075-20190413180341

Alanomaly wrote: This argument is fundamentally flawed. Nothing in Ken 10 contradicts Ben 10,000 (Episode) to where the two would be separate. Fair point.

However, given the numerous inconsistencies between OV and OS Ben 10K's (which do in fact make them different futures already) Wait a sec, you're dictating that it makes them "in fact" different futures? No offence, but who are you to say that it decidedly makes them different futures. You are not a crew member. My suggestion post urges us to follow a crew member. There are numerous (and I mean numerous) "inconsistencies" between present UAF and present OV Bens. Does that mean they're different timelines too? No. What makes this any different?

as well as OV being Ben's future as of OV and Ben 10K already making OS Ben go on a different path than him from giving him the cake to give to Max, something Ben 10K didn't do when he was 10, they are separated by the cake. I see what you did there. And you have a slight point. But here's the thing: 1. While Ken 10 Ben 10K seems like its the same Ben 10K as Ben 10,000. But the keyword is "seems". It's still an assumption. Personally, in fact, I would say that it would be a funny move by the creative team to suggest that: Look, Ben 10K changed his past in an episode, in a significant way. Couple of episodes later, we present to you this story of Ben 10K whose past hasn't changed the way he wanted it to change. Think about it for a second. 2.Retcons. Magic word, yes. But look at it this way. The writers screwed this up. OV Ben 10K is the current true future, but Ben 10K from Ben 10,000 can never be the true future (I think Dwayne pointed it out too). But our job is to mention these screw ups, not correct them. I think you're missing this point. We are nobodies to say the writing team is wrong about what they've written. They wanted to keep the futures the same but made a mistake about continuity. Fine. We mention the mistake. We don't change their story.

"Official Proof that OS and OV futures ARE separate? No official proof exists which says that"

Only if you ignore literally every in-show point given in the thread that rightfully separated them to begin with.

Saying Gwendolyn (daughter) getting retconned but it still being the same future is the equivalent of saying that if someone, say me, existed in this timeline but then time shifted so I never existed and calling it the same timeline. I never said the "shifting timeline" shit. I know shifting timelines means different/new timeline. But that is used in another context. Retcons are still a thing by which writers can change things while not creating a separate timeline.

On your point about the writers, obviously they didn't know about future stories, but that doesn't work as an argument from a canon perspective. Obviously with new stuff introduced in present-day stories, we're going to get it included more often, but it doesn't work when that stuff is put into an already established possible future that didn't have that stuff, and then claim that it's the same when it's not. You know, I did state this, if DJW had not revealed that the writing team intended to bring back the same Ben 10K, we could have assumed they are separate. In light of his revelation, we cannot argue against it. We can only point out the flaws. We have no authority to correct them. This argument, this suggestion is not about whether the futures "should be" same or not. It simply states that fortunately/unfortunately, logically/illogically, the future presented by OV was intended by the writers to be the same. While they made mistakes, we cannot change the story they intended. Let's represent facts for what they are.

Just because we wield the power to edit articles here on this Wiki, doesn't mean we wield the power to change the show itself.