Board Thread:Suggestions/@comment-5486221-20190212142357/@comment-5808884-20190216150019

Your argument presents a fundamental flaw. You say something is the "same, but with alterations". Such a thing cannot exist. It's like saying "it's black, but white".

The two words are opposites.

If you change something, then it can't be the same anymore.

Let's take a look at your examples.

If you change the branches on a tree, then the tree as a whole is different, because it has different branches. Same goes for the house.

If you paint a wall blue, then scrape some paint and paint the leftovers red, is the wall still blue? No, it's blue and red. The original and new walls are not "the same, with alterations", they are different, period.

Are they completely different? No.

But they don't have to be. They are still different.

And that's where the problem lies.

Defining something as "completely different" is pretty arbitrary.

Let's take the 3 Ben 10K futures for example.

You claim that the UA Ben 10K is completely different from the OS one.

Well, they are not "completely" different they are both Ben Tennyson and they both call themselves Ben 10,000.

Ergo, they are not completely different. But they are still different.

Now, let's take the OS and OV Ben 10K. Are they the same? No, one of them has a daughter called Gwendolyn and does not remember traveling to the future to meet himself, nor did he give his Grandpa a cake.

OV Ben 10K doesn't have a daughter, remembers events from his past self's point of view and gave Max a cake.

Are they similar? Yes. Are they completely the same? Nope, similar. But still different.

Let's have another example.

Imagine a timeline were I exist. Hey, it's this one! Now imagine a timeline where everything is the same as ours, except I don't exist.

Are the timelines "completely" different? Of course not, I just said that the only difference between them is my existence.

That makes them different timelines still. No matter the scale of the changes and inconsistencies, the two are different.

We well were aware that UA Ben 10K was the current future for Ben at the time and he became a more distant possibility by the time OV came out, your "research" proves nothing.

The OS and OV futures are different, you have admitted so yourself. The only way they could be regarded as the same, is via retcon. A retcon that needs to be applied to the show itself.

So, yes, Paradox indeed would need to spoon feed us that OV Ben 10K is the same one as OS. Otherwise, *logically*, due to the inconsistencies existing, we come to the conclusion they are in fact different.

Since OV Ben 10K makes zero mention of the events of *Ben 10,000* and *Ken 10*, nor does he ever claim he is the one Ben Prime met when he was gen years old, he is not the OS version.