Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-24661095-20140309142453/@comment-24958262-20140712205612

BartekKrakowski wrote: I am really shocked, that Omniverse, was well received by most of Ben 10 fanbase. Although, it could be due to low age of viewers, because it's obvious the show is targeted to small children and they can't really feel the difference, they just want to see their Ben (or in case of OV - poor imitation of him). I also know, that people watch Omniverse, because "there is nothing cool on at the moment". These few things are for sure a reason for high viewership, so I don't understand this argument that if show is popular it must be very good. I actually think, that producers stopped trying to make a good plot, animations or characters, because they realized that children would still watch their show. And that's the main difference between OS/AF/UA and Omniverse. First Ben was amazing and the best one, no doubts, I think everyone can admit it. It was different than every other show, it had a deep plot, great characters, high detailed animations, great music including the intro etc. Also, it often made us laugh, '''but! Unlike in the OV, OS maintained seriousness of the situation!!''' And in the OV we have a feeling, that nothing can threat Ben. Powerful, threating world villans are reduced to stupid, brainless idiots with very shallow "humour". I can give a lot of examples, but I don't have time to memorise them all, so I'll just give one from last episode: '''Phsyphon mistook some human for a Vilgax.. Along with Ben'''. Seriously. I coudn't believe it. Vilgax's sidekick, very smart and intelligent alien acted like he'd have a dumpster instead of brain. I'll try to summarize Omniverse (it is my opinion!):

Pros:

1) Music is pretty enjoyable. It is catchy and fits the situation, although not as good as in AF/UA (I'm not even comparing to OS). It's the only reason I somehow manage to watch this garbage. 2) Sometimes it flashes back to the time when he was a kid (and actually he was a lot more intelligent then!). And it's not that the plot, suddenly gets better .. It is just my nostalgia for OS, nice to see Grandpa, Gwen and Ben together again.

Cons:

1) It is the worst Ben 10 show. I thought it can't get worse after UA. I was very wrong. 2) Omniverse is disgustingly candy-like and boring. They have made Phantom(!) look like a Casper the Friendly Ghost. My favorite alien got completly ruined! And I couldn't wait for Ben to transform into Ghostfreak. When he did, I nearly puked.. 3) I don't know what happened to Ben's maturity. It seems that it just dissapeared. New Ben isn't only cocky and full of himself. He is just stupid. And that's a harsh fact. If he'd atleast mantain his skills.. no, even one Charmcaster's rock monster took him a lot of time to destroy. Not mentioning the girl tetramand. He defeated Vilgax, one of the most evil beings in the universe, yet he can barly handle some minor aliens. Please. 4) Animation. It just looks like crap. Max's eyes look like he have overdosed LSD. '''Gwen's face can be mistaken for orangutans one. '''I will leave Kevin without commentary, because I could loose my temper. 5) Complete disrespect for the original fanbase, teen/adult one. 6) Aliens (with only a few exeptions). Azmuth's second brain, lol.. 7) Intro music. It is not so bad, but for sure the worst one. Let me explain what I mean, by quoting the lyrics: "He's a kid, and he wants to have fun!". I don't think Ben is a kid anymore. He's a teen and that makes a difference. A big one. For not to only critize I can say that intro music is fine. Not so catchy like in OS, but still good. 8) Julie Yamamoto. I don't think I'm the only one who dislikes the way, thier relationship ended. In one episode, they destroyed something, that was being being built from the beggining of AF. And Ben didn't show any kind of emotions when she rejected him. He acted like a robot, seriously. He smiled and went to smoothies with Ester, if I remember correctly. I was waiting for him to cry. Nothing. Atleast be sad, nah. 9) Transformations. They suck, some of them just don't make any sense. LEGO alien or an extraterrastial chicken. Very original. Oh, and this rasta alien. I can't tell how much he annoyed me.

That's all. I'm hoping for some good discussion and argument exchange here :-) (oh, and sorry for my english, it's not my first language).

I am one to hate Omniverse. No, i not only hate it, i despise it. In fact, when i feel like i have no reason to live at all, i then realize Omniverse exists for me to hate it, i'd say i'm even obliged to hate it. DJW burns Ben 10 for me. And you know, i feel like i should say you have common sense, but there are a few things that make me confused.

1. Hands down it is the worst Ben 10 series, no doubt. But UA wasn't all bad. Season 1 was really really great. There are certain eps like Reflected Glory that make me mad, but overall the season was great. Season 2 was just garbage, i'm not gonna argue. Season 3, there were a lot of bad episodes. But there were good ones as well, like Night of the Living Nightmare. The SERIES finale was the worst so far, but what redeemed it are the Aliens, and that one montage. That montage made me want to cry, it was so well done. The music as well... Man that brought me memories.

2. Assuming you speak for the whole Alien redesigns, some look like garbage and make me want to hate Omniverse (Four Arms), and some make me wanna like DJW. (Buzzshock, Frankenstrike, Way Big). But i'm gonna focus on Ghostfreak, and i'm gonna say... HELL NO. Ghostfreak (imo) looks the best hes ever looked. Those chains look freaking awesome, and his design is fine. He looks nothing like Casper, and he certainly doesnt act or sound like him.

3. I have almost nothing to say about this, good job. You read my mind. OS-AF did some great Ben stuff. UA however... Okay, i'm not gonna argue its the third worst series. The one thing that bugged me is Ben's character development, where the hell was that? We got almost nothing for Ben. The only time we see AT LEAST something is in one of the Ultimate Kevin episodes, where hes really mad, but that didn't do ANYTHING. He wasn't that good of a character. Omniverse makes me wanna despise Ben. UA Ben was bland i'd say, but OV Ben is just plain unlikable, i just want him to get hurt badly.

4. Most with what you said i agree. Max's design looks fine and normal... But then theres his really terrible eyes that make me think Max is a pokemon character. Ben i just don't wanna like, his voice with that design, NO! I don't wanna get into detail with Ben cause i can write a whole book on why he SUCKS in Omniverse. But, his clothes are a different story, his clothes are perfectly fine. Gwen, hell no. Kevin, his clothes and design are fine, he just needs to be less emo. A lot less emo.

5. Mostly, at least they do a lot of OS things and references, unlike UAF...

6. I like the intro a bit more than you do, but agreed. Galactic Monsters is a whole other story... (It's good)

(I skipped the actual 6)

7. Julie wasn't a cool or interesting character to begin with, BUT I WILL AGREE Omniverse could have done her justice. They could have made her a lot more interesting, Pier Pressure and The Ultimate Enemy set her character up. But if they wanted a new love interest, thats fine. But agreed with everything else.

8. YES, EVERYTHING RIGHT THERE. RIGHT FREAKING THERE!!!!!!!!!! But theres also Aliens like Gravattack and Astrodactyl, who i really love.

About the animation, when you said UAF was more detailed, i'm gonna disagree. Look, i hate the animation more than anyone, but detail is another story. Look at the diversity in UAF, when Ben goes to planets, everything looks the same, maybe, slightly, a small little mustache or skin color (Tack's species in that one UA Baumann ep). Omniverse, the diversity is insane. Thats the best thing about DJW, he understands diversity. He hates when everyone looks the same, that i completely agree with. But i hate DJW. Look at the Galvans, look at the people in Undertown, they are all different. They're not clones of each other, with maybe a different hair style. The one thing i hate, some of them just look like they were meant for 5 year olds, like some of The Worst's species.

This is just my opinion.