Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-11169242-20130907142333/@comment-4848837-20141012155146

Oneofthosedf wrote: Cokedragon wrote: But that's just the thing. They're really trying to make this retcon, that makes absolutely no sense at all when you look at many UAF episodes (like Basic Training (Ben's a Plumber, and so is Kevin, which should've made finding him take no more than a second), Vendetta, Absolute Power and the rest of the Aggregor arc), look like it makes sense. This is not a matter of some underlying mission; Servantis is not continuing to control Kevin making the entire episode pointless (but it wouldn't be the first time an episode was absolutely pointless (*cough* And Then There Were None/Was Ben *cough*)). You know, saying negative things loses credibility when you do it all the time. Especially when you focus all the hatred towards one series.

How would this make the episode pointless? It prepares the watcher to the season finale and makes them even more excited to watch them.

I don't see how this affects on Basic Training either.

Even if it makes sense, the story was filled with plot holes and some burning unanswered questions. Like, if there is a species that can live for hundreds of years and can absorb life energy just by touching individuals (he gets 1/10 of it, I know but the victim still dies), how could Aggregor be the first one that caused any problem? It's not like they didn't have time to explain it. Seeing that even in the Aggregor arc, there were filler episodes and that some episodes had really long, pointless battles and conversation at Mr. Smoothys, it looks like they just wanted to ignore the problems and just reach the time slot. Omniverse, on the contrary, doesn't have this problem, every second of it is there for telling more about the story and the characters.

You hate it, I know and you will probably leave a fancy answer where you tell that you hate it even more but as I said, it won't be as convincing from someone who even said that "even Nyancy Chan shows how bad Omniverse is". It's an opinion, I don't want to start arguing. I guess I won't waste my time. I'll leave you on this: for the first time this franchise, I was genuinely intrigued after having seen And Then There Were None. Yeah, there was a lot to be annoyed by, from Ben 10K pretty much not knowing his own past, to Gwen 10 being erased by the ray that was to destroy all alternate Bens (though supposedly because it needed to erase anything from alternate timelines... even though that wouldn't allow Vilgax to survive), to the Omnitrix magically slipping onto the alternate Ben's wrist and the explanation of the workings of the time stream that go against the unique system of "crosstime" mentioned only in Ben 10K Returns. All that, but I was still intrigued. And Then There Was Ben struck me down after being a lot of nonsense for, mostly, reasons I've explained above.

And please, don't complain about fillers in UAF, or plot holes or the like. If you really think Aggregor was the first Osmosian threat just because he's the first we've seen, then you must think all of time started when Ben got the Omnitrix.

And obviously, it didn't.