Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-24661095-20140309142453/@comment-241978-20140506151505

UltiVerse wrote: @Zenoselya:


 * 1) I liked the fact Kevin reformed and the 'forcing' of Gwevin down my throat was fine. I love the pairing.
 * 2) They weren't retcons. They were expansions.
 * 3) I only saw changes in Ben.
 * 4) I agree that it needed more episodes during the daytime, but I didn't mind that.
 * 5) I'm sure the artists tried their best. At least the characters' eyes were more detailed then.
 * 6) The franchise needed drama. This is what Omniverse lacks. It has action and comedy all the time. Alien Force and Ultimate Alien had action, suspense, comedy, drama and a few other genres popping in once in a while.
 * 7) Which plot arcs were dropped?
 * 8) The writing wasn't bad. It was thorough and it forced the characters to wake up and come to their senses to defeat the threats. In Omniverse, Ben is waiting for the villain to lash him instead of solving the mystery for himself (with the exception of Of Predators and Prey: Part 1.

Again, I do not hate Omniverse. I am merely stating my point of view. 1. It's not that Gwevin is inherently bad. It was just handled very badly. Kevin and Gwen's relationship came out of nowhere. The moment they met they fell madly in love like Romeo and Juliet, which is very unsatisfying. Their relationship was never built up like a real relationship, viewers were just expected to take for granted they were a couple. Very poorly-written teen drama was constantly shoehorned into their relationship even when they had more important issues to worry about at the time.

2. Yes, there were retcons. They directly contradicted the information we were given before, not built onto it. Character personalities changed completely with no explanation and everything we were lead to believe was true was changed with no explanation. I watched the original series when it first aired and didn't watch UAF until it was available on Netflix, and I noticed right away that very obvious retcons had been made.

3. You didn't notice the dramatically personality changes to Azmuth (aka Mr. Despair) and Vilgax (aka Big Bad Evil Guy) that turned them into completely different people?

5. There's no good reason for Kevin to run around in only his underwear after being turned "ugly" (read: a gorgeous hunk wearing permanent body paint).

6. It doesn't need poorly-written teen melodrama all the time. I couldn't take most of their drama seriously because it was so absurd and contrived (e.g. Kevin angsting over being "ugly" despite still being a gorgeous hunk with the unconditional love of a pretty girl, Gwen worrying about mundane problems like family and friend relationships despite the fact that without her to save to world all the time all her family and friends would all be dead and they all act like completely unsympathic jerks who refuse to acknowledge they would all be long dead without her to save the world all the time). After the highbreed invasion Ben's personality magically went back to his immature self despite acting all mature the previous two seasons.

7. During Alien Force, it was implied they'd form an actual team of plumbers' kids for the main cast, but this only appeared in a few episodes and wasn't explored to its full potential. Ben, Gwen and Kevin did all the important work while the other kids only played a minor role in delaying the Highbreed invasion and later were easily defeated by Vilgax and then sent away to plumber academy. Why did Ben decide to remove the Omnitrix in the first place? This could've tied to into him wondering if being a hero was worth it, but this was never explored. Why was Kevin easily forgiven for trying to kill Ben multiple times and allowed to join the team? There was absolutely no build-up, it just came out of left field and viewers are just expected to accept it. The arcs involving Viktor, Charmcaster and Elena were never resolved until Omniverse rolled around. Most of the episodes after the Highbreed Invasion arcs were largely filler episodes will no relevance or lasting consequences.

Raze200 wrote: Omniverse is to green for my taste but it's good. And wow I remeber wondering where bens maturity went. While Gwen and Kevin's new looks are a bit wierd but I kinda like it. The introduction of Rook is and interesting one. Those who don't like the 5 or so year timeskip I think it gives them creative room to build apon the past no one knows about (like in OV) I have more to say but I gtg for now. Think on it. AF season 3 turned Ben into a silly goofball from his previous abnormally serious/mature personality. Omniverse's greater focus on comedy just makes it more obvious, but hardly invented it.