Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-5325068-20191001203015

Since I got flagged for cursing, I've edited mosted swearing (at least at the end). But if this still gets closed

In Defense of DJW. Don’t get me wrong, OV is FAR from perfect while I don’t agree with any of DJW’s statements. However, OV is not as horrendous that many UAF fans make it out to be. I am seeing many posts trashing on OV, DJW, and how they both undid everything UAF and McDuffie established. Going as far as to claim that DJW hates McDuffie. In this post, I am going to be very harshfully truthful. To clarify some things, DJW is NOT incharge of OV. He is just the lead designer for the show. However, he doesn’t have the final say in things. Who is truly in charge of OV? Matt Youngberg. If it is story and direction you guys are more concerned about (Which is what I am seeing a lot), then take the blame to Matt Youngberg. Unlike DJW, he is the one truly incharge of OV. But before you start targeting Matt Youngberg, you do realize he worked on UAF himself alongside Glenn Murakami? As a matter of fact? Most of OV’s writing team consist of people who previously worked on UAF. I’m going to list them. Matt Wayne Marty Isenberg Eugene Son Matt Youngberg Charlotte Fullerton Len Uhley Dan Riba Butch Lukic And yes EVEN DWAYNE MCDUFFIE As a matter of fact? Dwayne McDuffie worked on the first episodes of OV before dying. Plus DJW has worked closely with McDuffie. So to say that OV an DJW undid everything McDuffie did for UAF is ridiculous and untrue. Besides, was McDuffie any better when he was in charge of UAF? He flat out undid everything MOA established with UAF’s major continuity errors, plotholes, and loved Retconning everything during UAF’s air time. From Kevin’s convoluted Heel Face turn, the forced Gwevin romance, the uncreative aliens (Fasttrack, Jetray, Swampfire, Eatle, Jury Rigg), Everything being related to aliens (Like Retconning Magic out of existence for Anodites, and Turning Kevin into an Osmosian). Continuity errors (Plumbers go from a defunct xenophobic alien exterminators who occasionally dealt with the supernatural to a bunch of ongoing Space Police?). The list goes on.

And what did OV supposedly undid? The Alien Force? First of all, it made NO SENSE TO BEGIN WITH! I mean, how were the Plumbers kids conceived? How was Alan conceived when his father is a flaming Pyronite!? And Don’t Kinecelerans lay eggs?! And with OV establishing that a male Tetramand must beat a female (Who is stronger than a male) for romance to work (How was Many’s human father able to beat his mother? Tetramands Females will overpower a human). And what of the other members of the Alien force? (You know, the ones UAF never explored nor mention again when Manny and Helen were first introduced) One of them did it doggy style with a Vulpimancer? And as for Devin’s existence? Once again, the “Vendetta” episode made absolutely NO SENSE! I mean, there are a lot of holes in the episode then it does fill it. 1-The Plumbers were defunct 2-Max’s partner was PHIL 3-In order for Devin to exist, Kevin would be in his 40s (If that’s the case, that would make Kevin a Pedophile) 4-Why wasn’t this explained BEFORE 5-Max would have known Kevin Levin by the start of the OS. After all? Devin did tell Max to take care of him in his dying breathe. So there you go, Making Devin and his featured episode “Made up” by Servantis makes a lot more sense than what UAF came up with. Do I really need to start how badly McDuffie and Co. handled Vilgax when they brought back in UAF? We go from a Cybernetically enhanced Land-based octupus who can destroy mountains and brush off most of Ben’s aliens to Honor Bound Warlord who can create small shockwaves that transforms into an octopus if he makes contact with water who get’s beat up by most of ben’s previous aliens (He got beat up by Diamondhead and Waybig). Again, OV is FAR from perfect. But atleast OV gave him a design that’s closer to his original look and brought back his original voice actor. And to those who trash OV’s design of fan favorite aliens like Bigchill for making him too buff. Was McDuffie any better? Look at all the stupid redesigns UAF gave most to the original aliens. Ripjaws for example went from an Angler Fish that can bite your face off to a Fish-lipped catfish (and to add more insult to injury, he was only used ONCE in UAF). Same goes for Bloxx, claiming he is uncreative. Again, UAF conjured up Fasttrack, a blue and black alien with the ability to Run Fast. Hmmmmm, sounds a lot like XLR8. To make matters insultingly worse, He was confirmed to be Stronger than Xlr8 and yet is constantly crashing into things whenever he was used. What is also getting to me about the hate for OV is mostly the double-standards. Oh, it’s bad for Ben and Rook to laugh at Billy Billion for trying to survive a dimension full of organic killing robots with no means of defending himself whatsoever. That’s bad. Meanwhile, UAF does the samething in the episode “Singlehanded”, When Ben suffers the same fate (Sent to the nullvoid without the Omnitrix with very little means to defend himself). Kevin laughs at Ben. Here’s another one It’s stupid that Gwen get’s offended by Looma for simply being referred as “Girl.” Meanwhile in UAF, in the episode “Primus”, Kevin does the samething, and Gwen reacts the reacts the sameway? Kai being into Ben’s alien forms, But when Julie does the samething in UAF in the episode “Pier Pressure” it is absolutely okay. How Kai mistreated Ben because he was no longer the alien-werewolf (loboan). But absolutely okay when Julie tricks her boyfriend by using herself as Live Bait to capture Ben in the episode “The Flame Keepers' Circle.” Inspite of how evil the cult is and claiming how she doesn’t regret joining, even after finding out they’re evil. Again, why is it bad when OV does it? But absolutely OKAY when UAF does it. I have a big feeling this has to do with blind fanboyism with Dwayne McDuffie and not with the shows itself. Once again, OV is not the greatest show ever. However in my opinion, it is a step up in the right direction to where UAF was a failure. Of course, OV has its flaws. I don’t agree with some of the design choices for Ben’s aliens (Alien x looks the same, they just slapped a big chin to him). It is sometimes too focused on comedies, most feel unnecessary and forced, and it constantly forgets it’s an action show. Gravvatack is hardly ever used (at least in the beginning). While Vilgax has a better design and I’m happy Steve Blum is voicing him again. The problems? Not only is he HARDLY in the show, but he is STILL reduced to non-threatening (He get’s beat up by diamondhead AGAIN, gets beaten by No-watch Ben’s regular kick, and is afraid of Ma Vreedle?) Did we truly needed another Fake-out the two parter Weapon XI. The controversial judging by the way a person looks? Hell the horror-themed residence of the Anur System are wimps and scared of offworlders because “They’re not as scary as we are?” I can go on, however OV is not as Horrendous as UAF fans make it out to be. To anyone reading, let me clarify. I do NOT hate Dwayne McDuffie. He did do the Static shock and the JLU series (Which are my childhoods). However, I am not going to kiss anyone’s rearend like most of McDuffie’s rabid fanboys. I had my fair share of critics who lumped on me for daring to call out McDuffie’s mistakes for UAF even when he was alive. Treating him as if he was some form of God that wrote gold. Look, I am very sorry that McDuffie died. But that doesn’t mean I won’t call off his mistakes. You guys like UAF simply because of McDuffie’s involvement with the sequel is not a good justification for liking UAF. That’s like me loving Ultimate Spiderman (Which McDuffie also wrote a few episodes of) and Avengers Assemble simply because Man of Action was involved with them. No, USM and AA were terrible and I’m glad Disney is done with them. If UAF pulled the same exact stunts as OV did, you would be praising it. As a matter of fact? With most of the writing staff consisting of the same UAF writers, how much do you want to bet that all the stupid things that happened in OV was their ideas? If you like UAF for other reasons, fine by mean. I said what I have to say. 