Board Thread:Suggestions/@comment-4908075-20190413100016/@comment-4908075-20190419182150

@Ultra: Wow, your post really looks like those "Alien X is not omnipotent" "RAT was never retconned by OV" type posts. Anyway, let's begin.

Aha, totally the true future for Ben Prime, yeah. As I said- Mention it in errors.

OS Ben 10K didn't have Arctiguana named until he was 30. He didn't name his aliens, but Ben Prime gave him the name himself. Same goes for Spitter as Ben Prime suggests "What do you call this one? Loogie Man? Spitter?" I thought Ben just forgot the names. I mean he forgot about Snare-Oh in 5 years, what's in forgetting a name in like 30, when you have hundreds of aliens

My first point, to avoid any misunderstanding, is this: Both UA and OV Ben 10K can recall specific moments from their past that is relevant to the situation at hand, because they were/are connected to the Prime Timeline. Like OS Ben 10K didn't remember a thing at all. Just 'cause he doesn't say "ohh how lovely my Omnitrix looked when it hadn't grown in size", or something similar, he was never connected to the prime timeline! Perhaps he wasn't, but not because of this. OS Ben 10K doesn't remember giving Max a cake... He was never connected to the Prime Timeline in the first place. However, both UA and OV Ben 10K would remember giving Max a cake, because they were/are Ben Prime at some point. cake. Why can this not be considered an error? Are continuity errors not a thing in the franchise? Is this hypothetical "would remember-wouldn't remember" thing going to override an actual statement? What if I were to say that Ben 10K in OV didn't remember the cake either, and he isn't the true/current future. That would be ignoring a different of DJW's statement, which seems no more credible than the former, but with a drastic difference.

So, I'll focus on the bold words: Published work. It refers to something that is actually integrated in the show (since we are talking about a TV series) And yet, none of OV Ben 10K remembering or not remembering the cake is in the show. You are dismissing one DJW's statement on basis of another. The foundation of your argument is as weak as what you're arguing against. If were are only talking in show, OV Ben might never have been the current future (it was never stated on-screen), and thus might be a perfect candidate for being the OS Ben 10K. Why cannot DJW be wrong there?

Trying to "think from the writer's perspective" will lead to assumptions. It's not a nod by any means. It's just a reference. You misunderstand me. I meant to say, if the writing team knew their Ben 10K is different, why mislead viewers by such lines. I was trying to argue that the writers intended for the futures being same, which, you kinda accept but choose to ignore, I see.

"The show is a manifestation of their intentions".

Well, then.


 * Zombozo's Cannon ended up sending him to Anur Transyl.
 * Zed appeared in The Frogs of War.
 * Verdona appeared in The Most Dangerous Game Show.
 * Ben's pink eyes from Fame mean something.

Huh?

Those weren't explored in the show?

But that's what the writers intended, am I right?

Not every single thing the writers intend is gonna end up on the show. You can't always get what you want. I am surprised you twist my statement so much to suit your needs. Sorry for you, but Ben 10K did appear on the show. Those examples you mentioned aren't writers' intentions for the actual existing episodes (except Verdona. DJW said that she was gonna appear (finalised) but the drawing/file didn't get sent on time or something like that). They are rejected ideas. Or cut for time. OS Ben 10K in OV wasn't rejected. It's not like they felt like airing OS Ben 10K but he got nixed for a new version. OS Ben 10K was added (in the writing teams eyes, not yours). DJW accepts that it is OS Ben 10K in those episodes and gives reasons why they chose to go back to him instead of a new version (I mean just look at the screenshot in the main post). What more do you want?

There is nothing in the show that proves OS and OV Ben 10K are the same. On the contrary, there is in-show evidence that they are different. Nothing you've said so far was in-show, btw. I've explained above.

And since you care about writer authority, here's this:

https://archive.is/5fDvd

"Nothing's definite until we address it in Omniverse".

Nothing. Seriously then, just because other statements fit with the show, they are somehow correct, but since this does not fit your head-canon, it is not. Wow. If we were going by that statement, we should mark all of DJW, Matt, Dwayne and anybody else's comments as clearly non-canon and just a concept idea, 'cause it was not in the show.

Matt Wayne was the head writer for OV. Not an Art Director with some story input.

So, even though he *might* have intended for the two to be the same (not actually confirmed by him), that is not reflected by the show. I honestly feel he was being prudent for a future series, where a new team might have new ideas that don't fit with the current team's, but with the show, unlike Dwayne did (referencing comments on Aggregor and Plumbers' kids, among others). Why not, if not but for being prudent, say something clearly: Primus exists. Primus doesn't exist. Personal thought, yes. And kinda irrelevant to the discussion. Matt never denied the futures being same. You haven't mentioned anything from the series except the cake anyway, and Ben not remembering Arctiguana in OS. The former argument would fail if we were to remove the assumption that the future is the current one (which came from the same source as the one that said the futures is the same). The later is easily dismissed (as I did earlier). That's all I will say.