Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-24578309-20141026141249/@comment-5562625-20141120192835

BrimStoned wrote: 1)Ben isn't stupid, he is a bit more immature than he was before, but that is because they wanted to make him more like his original self.

2)And its not like UA Ben wasn't almost the exact same as OV Ben. If you believe otherwise, I dare you to watch the later episodes of UA.

3) You wanna talk ill-motivated villans? Rojo and animo appeared without any real explination at all in UA. It was just to rob a train, or detonate a bomb. Thats it. Every villan that appeared in Omniverse had an explination. And "dull plotlines" is really a matter of opinion, but I can back up my opinion.

4) Can you? It wasn't dull, because it brought back all of the great things from the original series, while keeping the best parts of UAF, and introducing new things as well. It gave a LOT of characters a second appearence, when they woulnd't have had another one otherwise, including Kenny.

5) Now, if you want to argue, then back up your claim with facts about why it was dull.

1) The moral and psychological regress of Ben isn't stupid? Peoples actually supposed to change with age. If a sixteen year old guy behaves like a ten-year, it is cause for psychiatric intervention.

2) Maybe. But the distance between AF Ben and UA Ben wasn't that great as the distance between both of them and Omniverse Ben

3) Please. They were only minor villains. And the greater adversaries ALWAYS have  motivation: the Highbreeds, the Vilgax, the Diagon, the Aggregor.

4) Well, if the great thing is the black-and-white picture with completely one-sided characters... I really failed to see how "more primitive" may be "great things".

5) Simply. Because they are dull. There is nothing original in them. Maybe exept the Ultimated Albedo line. They always rotated around "some villain appeared - gloated - Ben kick his ass really hard - selebration". There was no more peacefull solutions, like in Highbreeds arc of AF. There was no more internal strife and moral questions, like in the end of UA. There were simply "absolutely evil and cruel bad guy and bigger guns in hands of Ben and C.o."

Simply - revise the Omniverse, and in each "final battle" ask yourself: "could we replace Ben in this scene with a good salvo of relativistic kill vechicles?" And if we could without really damaging the plotline, we could mark this plotline as "dull"

There WAS exeptions - for example, the Ultimate Albedo and his awareness of the universe. But instead of peacefull - and more logical - solution, that the Ultimate Albedo should return his brainpower to Azimuth simply because he understood that it was right thing to do - we have another one-side battle, when Ben have a absolute weapon. And a elativistic kill vechicle would work as well as Atomix.

And another problems, that authors simply drop the plotlines. For example, when in "Vilgax must Croak", Vilgax protect Ben from the shot - what it supposed to do? I assumed that they want to demonstrate  mutual respect between old opponents, "reduce" hatred between them. But... pretty soon Vilgax again plotted to destroy Ben, as if nothing had happened. The whole drama of the moment - was for nothing. Characters do not develop.

And this is dull. Even in original series there was some development of characters and their relations. Here - exept of Rook, and forced Ben-Kai relations, there was NO development of characters or their relations. Ben didn't change at all. He does not accumulate experience, he does not become more responsible - and this is dull.