Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-24661095-20140309142453/@comment-24546717-20140513152408

GwevinForever wrote: BartekKrakowski wrote: I am really shocked, that Omniverse, was well received by most of Ben 10 fanbase. Although, it could be due to low age of viewers, because it's obvious the show is targeted to small children and they can't really feel the difference, they just want to see their Ben (or in case of OV - poor imitation of him). I also know, that people watch Omniverse, because "there is nothing cool on at the moment". These few things are for sure a reason for high viewership, so I don't understand this argument that if show is popular it must be very good. I actually think, that producers stopped trying to make a good plot, animations or characters, because they realized that children would still watch their show. And that's the main difference between OS/AF/UA and Omniverse. First Ben was amazing and the best one, no doubts, I think everyone can admit it. It was different than every other show, it had a deep plot, great characters, high detailed animations, great music including the intro etc. Also, it often made us laugh, '''but! Unlike in the OV, OS maintained seriousness of the situation!!''' And in the OV we have a feeling, that nothing can threat Ben. Powerful, threating world villans are reduced to stupid, brainless idiots with very shallow "humour". I can give a lot of examples, but I don't have time to memorise them all, so I'll just give one from last episode: '''Phsyphon mistook some human for a Vilgax.. Along with Ben'''. Seriously. I coudn't believe it. Vilgax's sidekick, very smart and intelligent alien acted like he'd have a dumpster instead of brain. I'll try to summarize Omniverse (it is my opinion!):

Pros:

1) Music is pretty enjoyable. It is catchy and fits the situation, although not as good as in AF/UA (I'm not even comparing to OS). It's the only reason I somehow manage to watch this garbage. 2) Sometimes it flashes back to the time when he was a kid (and actually he was a lot more intelligent then!). And it's not that the plot, suddenly gets better .. It is just my nostalgia for OS, nice to see Grandpa, Gwen and Ben together again.

Cons:

1) It is the worst Ben 10 show. I thought it can't get worse after UA. I was very wrong. 2) Omniverse is disgustingly candy-like and boring. They have made Phantom(!) look like a Casper the Friendly Ghost. My favorite alien got completly ruined! And I couldn't wait for Ben to transform into Ghostfreak. When he did, I nearly puked.. 3) I don't know what happened to Ben's maturity. It seems that it just dissapeared. New Ben isn't only cocky and full of himself. He is just stupid. And that's a harsh fact. If he'd atleast mantain his skills.. no, even one Charmcaster's rock monster took him a lot of time to destroy. Not mentioning the girl tetramand. He defeated Vilgax, one of the most evil beings in the universe, yet he can barly handle some minor aliens. Please. 4) Animation. It just looks like crap. Max's eyes look like he have overdosed LSD. '''Gwen's face can be mistaken for orangutans one. '''I will leave Kevin without commentary, because I could loose my temper. 5) Complete disrespect for the original fanbase, teen/adult one. 6) Aliens (with only a few exeptions). Azmuth's second brain, lol.. 7) Intro music. It is not so bad, but for sure the worst one. Let me explain what I mean, by quoting the lyrics: "He's a kid, and he wants to have fun!". I don't think Ben is a kid anymore. He's a teen and that makes a difference. A big one. For not to only critize I can say that intro music is fine. Not so catchy like in OS, but still good. 8) Julie Yamamoto. I don't think I'm the only one who dislikes the way, thier relationship ended. In one episode, they destroyed something, that was being being built from the beggining of AF. And Ben didn't show any kind of emotions when she rejected him. He acted like a robot, seriously. He smiled and went to smoothies with Ester, if I remember correctly. I was waiting for him to cry. Nothing. Atleast be sad, nah. 9) Transformations. They suck, some of them just don't make any sense. LEGO alien or an extraterrastial chicken. Very original. Oh, and this rasta alien. I can't tell how much he annoyed me.

That's all. I'm hoping for some good discussion and argument exchange here :-) (oh, and sorry for my english, it's not my first language).

I cannot tell you how much I agree with you. I loved the OS and watching the characters grow up in their own ways through AF&UA was incredible. At the end of UA i felt really empty and i SO looked forward to OV. SUCH a letdown. The drawings were absolutely disgusting, Ben looks like he went back about 5 years in terms of facial growth, and the slightly more mature, caring character that was developing in UA is lost to this spiky haired, green-eyed specimen that looks a little more addle-pated than neccessary. Gwen - who i thought was gorgg for a cartoon in AF and UA - is UNRECOGNIZABLE with that terrible hair and those gross cheekbones. Kevin, you were right, nearly unspeakable. He looks like a gangbanger, and WAYY older than he should with those dark circles. Honestly, OV has turned him into a fifty year old former bad boy who's totally WRONG WRONG WRONG for Gwen. Gwevin was one of my favourite parts of AF/UA and OV has made them into a joke. And that completely casual end of Benlie was headache-inducing. Granted, we could all see it coming, but it was too clean, and WAY too crisp after everything these two have been through together. The aliens look like caricatures of the ones in AF and UA and honestly, they've completely kicked whatever complexity they were building in AF/UA in the backside. The storylines teeter on a tightrope, and the darker plots of AF/UA have been exchanged for plots that are so specious its disgusting.

All said and done, the only reason I watch this show is because Bwevin is the very fibre of my existence, and i cling to the hope that sometime, we will see the return of something similar to AF & UA. I wish most of the Ben 10 fans were like you and me...