Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-24546423-20150814151235/@comment-24152851-20150824031546

Hmngasaurr wrote:

Stryzzar which ability exactly can defeat Gwen as anosite? Are you asking for a specific Raven feat or ability of what she can do against Anodite Gwen? I'm not clear on what it takes to defeat Gwen in Anodite form, but based on power scaling alone Raven's max power should be higher.

If you're after a specific feat, one time Raven's power allowed her to release a powerful magical being sealed inside a book, and after it started wrecking havoc she realized her mistake and used her power to seal it back in again. This shows Raven is capable of trapping and incapacitating magical beings of great power so that they are unable to fight back. Sort of like Charmcaster stealing Gwen's magic in In Charm's Way

The way I see it, at their peaks both girls are capable of taking each other out. So it'll be down to who's quicker, who's smarter, and maybe a bit of luck. However I'll again emphasize Raven has far more experience with magic than Gwen does, and has been doing it all her life.

BenBFF wrote:

@ Stryzzar

No. Okay sorry, it's just on that Stinkfly Vs. XLR8 thread you were arguing for Stinkfly when everyone else went for XLR8.

BenBFF wrote:

Gwen actually is not the underdog. Stryzzar is basically ignoring the fact that Gwen has the charms.

I'm not ignoring the charms. As Echoson said you're just not aware that many of Raven's natural abilities can already do what the charms can. You're basing your argument on: "Gwen has charms, therefore she beats everyone."

Also, I think before I was debating that Raven would win if they had a random encounter in their normal forms (no charms, anodite, white Raven, or demonic form), which Raven has the upperhand.

Raven's higher power scaling is evidenced by their shields. Gwen's shields are regularly shown to break by varying levels of impact, while Raven's shields are almost impenetrable. All of the Titans attacking one of her shields couldn't break it, and Raven's shield also allowed the Titans to survive Trigon's global scale attack.